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Vinteage yes....Jackson....no.
Vinteage yes....Jackson....no.
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My old friend President Jackson.
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I am suprised people are still expecting a warrenty on these radios. Have we all forgotten that they ARE an illegal non-type accepted radio? Hell they all are for that matter. We need to remember to look at the bigger picture gentelman.
I don't ever expect ranger to accept involvement with these let alone offer any kind of warrenty.
I don't think it's right either. But you have to remember it's 2013 not 1983
. They pretty much do what they want when they want.
. They pretty much do what they want when they want.
They can't warranty this radio. Some of the parts haven't been made in a decade or more.
Even so they should have disclosed that right from the start.
There is a limited supply of MRF477s left in this world. Those of us with the original radios that used that final know of this problem and care for the radios accordingly. This new JA is a $150 export with MO POWA in the eyes of more than a few final burning drivers I have spoken to.
Even so they should have disclosed that right from the start.
There is a limited supply of MRF477s left in this world. Those of us with the original radios that used that final know of this problem and care for the radios accordingly. This new JA is a $150 export with MO POWA in the eyes of more than a few final burning drivers I have spoken to.
"There is a limited supply of MRF477s left in this world. Those of us with the original radios that used that final know of this problem and care for the radios accordingly. This new JA is a $150 export with MO POWA in the eyes of more than a few final burning drivers I have spoken to."
The buyers should do their research before buying. And those that want MO POWA will have to relaize that one way or another they will have to "pay" for it.
It is also the responsibility of those that are selling these to "inform" the prespective buyer of exactly what they are getting. But we all know that will never happen as it will effect their income and they will never jeperdize that.
Educating ones self has it's benefits.
The buyers should do their research before buying. And those that want MO POWA will have to relaize that one way or another they will have to "pay" for it.
It is also the responsibility of those that are selling these to "inform" the prespective buyer of exactly what they are getting. But we all know that will never happen as it will effect their income and they will never jeperdize that.
Educating ones self has it's benefits.
Eleflow does make a replacement board that replaces the MRF477 with the more plentiful MRF455/SD1446. Chip @ Ranger/RCI said that he could whip up a circuit with two MOSFETs for finals. He may get his chance.
The other part on this radio that is obsolete is the audio chip.
Think that just about everything else can be replaced. The PLL mc145106 has been cloned by Ranger/RCI and they are fairly common. Even the 4 bit counter chips can be found easily enough. What seems to be lacking is Ranger/RCI straightforwardness in owning up to the debacle they have willingly created.
Perhaps Shioda may be getting interested in organizing a class-action suit in a month or so - when more and more of these radios begin to fail.
Robb, reguardless of what "they" do, The radio is in circulation. It is just a matter of what the individual will do with it. Being it is what it is, It should be treated as any other vintage radio should.
The gain on the eleflow appears to be higher than the origonal mrf-477.
The gain on the eleflow appears to be higher than the origonal mrf-477.
Even the MRF455 is out of production.
This new job I have is taking me to new areas. Since I have been kicked out of the golden screwdriver's shack I used to go to, I have found new solder monkeys to mess with.
I have stumbled upon two shops from the "white list" and was surprised when they had no idea who Eleflow was.
The other shops it didn't surprise me.
I should probably get a life or seek help. I enjoy asking them questions that baffle them like "Did you check that radio for spurs?" Or, "I'm interested in this Galaxy, could I see it on the scope before I decide?"
Strange as you say but didnt the later 6 band black Jacksons have auto squelch control? The JA just has a PA facility like the earlier 5 band silver and black Jacksons.
Not when Ranger/RCI sold them to the distributors as a 'new product'.
There are legal requirements/standards about misrepresenting ANY product to the general public; they are liable if they did so . . .
I see your point. However it would take a unamious consenses in a class action lawsuit to see any kind of justification.
And you would need to know who is directly responsible and no one knows that.
Also, How would you be able to get a company to honor a warranty on an illegal product?
There are to many variables in the mix here. I Beleive it is one of those things that you just cut your losses and move on. And that is for those that do not like to waste their time.
And you would need to know who is directly responsible and no one knows that.
Also, How would you be able to get a company to honor a warranty on an illegal product?
There are to many variables in the mix here. I Beleive it is one of those things that you just cut your losses and move on. And that is for those that do not like to waste their time.
A class action suit requires too many plaintiffs to be filed for the same complaint. This would also have to be filed in a federal court because the plaintiffs exist in many different parts of the country. The complaint would be for product misrepresentation. Anyone that bought this radio - the consumer, retailers, and perhaps distributors alike would qualify.
The 'unknown distributor' is known to the retailers. Bet it is their regular outlet dealer; so wouldn't be hard to locate and subpoena. If it isn't; then the added expense to hire a 'dick' to get to the bottom of it will just be accrued in the final judgement/settlement. No one will want to be left to hold the bag if they don't have to; so they will have to give up the info - or be the one that gets the suit.
The radio isn't illegal; it is a 10m radio and complies to Part 95.
That issue had been discussed and explained on this forum several times.
When several hundreds of these radios have been sold under the illusion of being new and then fail (my JA just failed the other day), it helps to know that this forum may have made it easier to get that remedy. How long does it take for a 30 year old radio to fail? Much sooner - than later. Again, this is not all based upon the radio failure; it is based upon the product being falsely represented. A while back, Shioda (forum member, private attorney) started a thread for those whom eBay had wronged concerning some radio gear. Ebay denied it all. Turned into a class action event. He won the case against them, and eBay had to pay off.
You would be surprised how people suddenly will 'kick the tires and light the fires' just to stay out of a legal entanglement. Including RangerUSA if they are the party that sold these radios to that distributor and telling them that it is a new product. It would be cheaper for RangerUSA to just honor the warranty than to pay the winning attorney and his clients out of their profits when they can so easily write all of these warranty repairs off of their corporate tax if they are behind it and continue to deny it. It really would be in their best interest to just warranty them.
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