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OPINIONS ON MY UNIDEN MADISON BEFORE AND AFTER ON THE O-SCOPE

Sonar

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Question. After having some work done on my Madison including reinstalling the audio limiter (which I never knew was removed from the transceiver in the first place.) I'm not one for removing those limiters. I'm not exactly sure why I just know it's not the best thing to do to a transceiver. I think it has more to do with causing second harmonic's. And possibly a whole bunch of other issues. Anyway you can obviously see the waveform and meter readings on both pictures taken before and after the work that was done. Uniden Madison final edition. What do you say?
1-Madison (extreme AM over-mod).JPG
2-My 2950DX with typical 97 percent on AM.JPG
 

Very much improved! Good job!
Looking at the top of the o scope and noticing different digital readings I wasn't sure if it was Hocus pocus snake oil. The guy seemed to be up front and knowledgeable. I figured what the heck and let him give it a go. Do the different numbers whether their frequency weather or whatever make a difference in what you're looking at on the o-scope? Are those digits at the top of the oscilloscope supposed to change? In other words are those digital changes between both photos at the top of the oscilloscope to be expected? Everything seems kosher to you?when looking at both pictures? I know the best test is going to be as soon as I get it back which should be by the middle or end of next week. If I get better audio reports than I did before the work was done then I guess it was worth having that work done. I'm just trying to get it prepared 2B direct-injected. I'm moving into the 21st century. I already have a Shure sm58 and a behringer 808. Not to mention that interface built by that guy in Pennsylvania audio designs that cost me a hundred bucks plus. If your transmitter isn't operating 3 kilohertz or better the only difference using that interface a Shure sm58 or any type of studio mic is going to make will be in the mids and the highs. You could forget about the lows! Which everyone seems to want these days. Do your research before wasting money. I'm not exactly sure but I was once told I Believe by Mike that my Sonar 2340 actually operates at 3 khz wide. I might just switch over the v pin Uniden mic plug on that digital interface I purchased from the dude in Pennsylvania for a 1/4 inch sonar plug. And give the Barringer, sm58, and the interface a shot on the sonar FS 2340. I don't have much to lose as I have all three pieces of equipment already. Anyway thanks for your thumbs up and any future replies. If anybody notices anything wrong with these two pictures please point them out to. me.
 
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Looking closely at the MFJ Frequency counter I am wondering what it was looking at.
If it is that far off frequency you will need the PLL aligned. The Frequency indicated on the scope is not what should be coming out of a CB radio.
Have you made contact with radio?
 
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The top pic, yeah, looks like a “supreme melody” job. The bottom is a nice improvement, that’s as close as I’ve looked.

Ole Eagle Eye Tallman there, he’s zoomed in.
 
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The truth is out there...
 
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Know little or nothing about testing, so am curious. In the comparison, why is one test performed at 15.5 MHz and the other at 22.5? Isn't that introducing a variable? And, as Tallman noted, these aren't even CB frequencies.

Am confused. o_O
 
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The frequency meter might be losing it's ability to track the frequency due to lack of triggering in the low signal area of the modulated signal. It might be good after all.
My meter has automatic triggering and will maintain the carrier frequency.
It also depends on sampling rate too.
 
Tallman has it figured out. The MFJ frequency display is a conventional "EPUT", or Events Per Unit Time counter.

Most all frequency counters fall into this category. It will only show a steady, accurate reading if the carrier remains above a minimum level. If you simply turned down the steady carrier power, you would reach a threshold level where the count begins to fluctuate randomly. Might be a half Watt, might be more, might be less. The negative modulation peaks on the 'scope are clearly very near the zero-amplitude level.

During those intervals, the counter has no input. Causes a reading that will always be below the actual frequency of your carrier.

Some counters will maintain a steady reading with no more than 10% or 20% modulation, and the reading fluctuates randomly until you stop talking. Other counters are sensitive enough to hold steady up to 60% or 70% modulation.

But the 100% level on the 'scope guarantees that the carrier's amplitude will fall below the counter's sensitivity limit a random percent of the time. Results in a randomly-low reading.

Until you shut up.

A trick that was used on older tube-type radios was to install a counter jack on the back that tapped some carrier energy from the radio's driver tube. In a tube-type radio, the driver is never modulated and allows a steady reading whether you're talking or not. Nice feature of this trick if you used it on a Browning transmitter was that the counter would give you a reading with the Spot button pressed, no need to key the mike.

This doesn't work on solid-state transmitters, since both the driver and final are modulated. Tubes are just different.

73
 
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I feel limiters get a bad rap. It's good for operators who don't monitor their waveform and adjust their mic gain but for those that do, I'd switch out the limiter. The limiter makes no difference once you direct inject BTW. It's just lowers the front panel mic signal when the limiting kicks in.
 
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