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This piqued my interest...

Until someone strong enough to bleed it keys up. Tram wimped and left the gain-control pin of the MC1350 blanker chip unused. Elecraft's K2 uses a startlingly-similar noise blanker circuit, but with its own AGC. Feeding into that same gain-control pin on the 1350 chip.

Incidentally, the Uniden noise blanker in the 8719 radios has its own AGC. And so does the blanker found in the RCI-made EPT36,69 and other pc boards.

I guess Tram didn't have room on the pc board.

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The reason the AGC pin on the chip was not used is because all of the AGC control voltages used on the tubes in the Tram are way too high in voltage and in the wrong negative polarity to work with the 12 volt chip. You have to remember this was designed in the early 1970's and no other radio even had a noise blanker yet. Even Browning didn't offer it on any radio yet. It wasn't a matter of not having enough room, it was that the voltages between the tubes and solid state chip, were totally incompatible to utilize the chips gain function.
 
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Um, okay.

But the more-recent blanker circuits I'm thinking of use only the signal from the noise path for gain control, altogether separate from the main-receiver AGC. The Elecraft K2 blanker does this, same as the Uniden and RCI circuits.

I suppose you're right, and that Tram was ahead of the pack a bit by including that feature at all in 1974. It first appeared as a separate pc board on two metal standoff pillars in the original VOX D201. I suppose they could have made it large enough if they wanted.

They only ran out of circuit-board real estate when they changed production to the circuit-board radio and put the blanker on one side of a larger board.

The MC1350 was marketed for TV-receiver IF circuits, where effective gain control is a big deal. Can't imagine an engineer reading the specs without noticing that.

Every engineering decision is a tradeoff of some kind.

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They also must quit using the 16~23MHz tuning coil carp and actually use 27MHz tuned peaking coils, then any "Super-Feed-Forward" design can utilize the ambient noise sensing - apply it as a function of AGC, not just the NB strip, but Adjunct to, the AGC developed for the RF strip.

Midlands ESP tried to do something like this back in the day using the signal output - as a feed forward means to adjust AGC nearly instantaneously - it worked but didn't develop audio headroom very well.
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The unit was a "compressor" that used a comparator - taking in detected audio - compared to the received processed audio, the comparing gave you a difference signal. The difference signal was split - one to AGC the other to the comparator. That output is what the ESP module then summed into the audio line past the ANL/AGC side of the regular receiver - that concept of signal tapping and the processing would work as long as the "window" the comparator used, was big enough to offset the noisy background - it failed when the signal faded - it muddy'd the sound you heard because of the noises embedded in the Amplitude (as an AM receiver) was a problem for the Audio Envelope and carrier it tried to pull out. AGC and the difference it worked the comparator with - Couldn't work it's magic.

You needed a - strong carrier - to get, good signal processing, but once the noise creeped into the carrier you're listening to the station by, the ESP processor of the signal you wanted to hear, the comparator kicked out, the words muffled, muddied together and you lost much of the conversation. The comparator and it's "Threshold" in which to work in, really required a strong non-swinging carrier 2 to as much as 6 S-units above the noise level or the impulse noise.

So when you were in the open traveling - not too bad, got into town and waiting at a light with those polling sensors in the road - your receive washed out. Little noise, yes, but no audio to listen to either.

Similar to the Sound Tracker, but ESP also sent AGC a signal to lower gain, so you "captured" the carrier by signal strength - the ESP brought the detected audio and the pure receive signal thru itself. So the impulse noises and ANL filtering you'd expect - didn't occur, you got the ESP-ized processing instead and it's own tonal drawbacks. - acted like you ran RF-gain down - and the signals came in just fine - but got "chopped" or muffled when they'd fade or arrive to that level the comparator didn't "hold up" and got buried in the noise it's quenching out. It worked the AGC and couldn't be combined together with ANL / Detector AGC stuff the radio had.

So in weak or poor conditions you needed to run the radio like anyone would in the environment - RF gain down, ANL at the ready - to even hear. When you got someone you can run with and talk to, the ESP can get engaged and you're off to the races. The nicer thing was the type of Reponses - any audio with strong carrier close to you can be heard like normal audio and pretty good fidelity even with reverb or echo - not like the ST units where they BOOM-OOm-oom-ed in with fades' as the ST compandor sorted out the threshold - ESP didn't talk - just the receive side - so any help with the output audio was on you.
 

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