US Gov't 20 Trillion in Debt- what do you think will happen

[WECSOG]

But in reality out votes do not count in the federal election. Hilary had won the popular vote by three million votes. The elecrorial college placed Trump in power not the voters.

That's one instance where it worked exactly the way it's supposed to. "Popular vote" has another name: "mob rule."

The mob is not always right. In fact it is almost never right.

 

[Tallman]

When the Founders started the Electoral College; there were no oligarchs nor plutocracy. The war against the tyranny of the British Crown had made them all money poor and country rich.

The Electoral College was in place to protect the people against those like Hillary, Sanders, or Bloomberg that have a strong base in the cities and doesn't have the support of those of the whole state. It is a safeguard to protect against ballot box stuffing and other cheats.

Some felt at that time the public was not erudite enough to elect the president.(Judging from some of the post we still are not)
https://www.history.com/news/electoral-college-founding-fathers-constitutional-convention. It is an outdated system that needs to be abolished.

 

[Shadetree Mechanic]

We have the oldest constitution in the world. Some people think it needs to be abolished too.

 

[Robb]

Some felt at that time the public was not erudite enough to elect the president.
https://www.history.com/news/electoral-college-founding-fathers-constitutional-convention. It is an outdated system that needs to be abolished.

When the original 13 colonies existed, they had the Articles of Confederation before the Constitution, and they already had eight presidents before Washington. To say that having a president wasn't in order isn't even historical.

 

[WECSOG]

Some felt at that time the public was not erudite enough to elect the president.
https://www.history.com/news/electoral-college-founding-fathers-constitutional-convention. It is an outdated system that needs to be abolished.

Absolutely not. Direct democracy has been thoroughly proven to be a very bad thing, over a thousand years ago. That system led to widespread slavery. Is that really what you want? Or do you think humans are somehow "evolved" and can handle it now. You don't have to look very closely at modern society to see that's not true.

Contrary to what some people seem to believe, societal problems didn't begin with the election of Trump. Or Obama, for that matter.

 

[Tallman]

Absolutely not. Direct democracy has been thoroughly proven to be a very bad thing, over a thousand years ago. That system led to widespread slavery. Is that really what you want? Or do you think humans are somehow "evolved" and can handle it now. You don't have to look very closely at modern society to see that's not true.
Contrary to what some people seem to believe, societal problems didn't begin with the election of Trump. Or Obama, for that matter.

Well we have heard from from a couple of the TWO percenters. When you give up your power to a small group of people the majority will not be fairly treated but will be cheated.

 

[WECSOG]

Well we have heard from from a couple of the TWO percenters. When you give up your power to a small group of people the majority will not be fairly treated but will be cheated.

When you have majority rule the minority groups get trampled on at best, enslaved and even murdered at worst. True fact. You can find that in the history books; the ones that haven't been censored that is.

And by the way, I'm not a two percenter. Nor are most of the people who don't believe in socialism. And while we're on the subject, I have much more respect for a poor Mexican who buys a $2500 van and starts his own small house painting business, than those Hillary/Bernie supporters who scream for 70+ percent (and I've even heard 100 percent) taxes on "the rich."
Jack those taxes up on the producers, and I'll cheer when they move their businesses offshore. Try getting free money and free healthcare from them then.

 

[Robb]

Well we have heard from from a couple of the TWO percenters. When you give up your power to a small group of people the majority will not be fairly treated but will be cheated.

What happened in Russia? Or China? Or any other socialist country that may turn out Communist? The Russians called the country "Soviet SOCIALIST Union of Republics" or 'USSR'. They paraded themselves as mere 'socialists'; but were the model of oppression to China, Cuba, and many others organic social progressive countries. People were first fooled by the rhetoric. After they got the power; it was all over for them,

Naw, that can't happen here!
Once your voice is taken away; you will never get it back.
No more 'choice' or 'voice'; just big brother telling you everything is all right.

Rudimentary people power is still the greatest in the US; that is still the reason why people from other countries want to come here. That is why every country in the world that wants us out of the way and would have that happen AT ANY COST. They won't be satisfied if we did become socialist, they will wait until all of our proud social programs have rotted us from the inside by robbing what is left. They will push the button on us to make sure that we can never come back. If you follow carefully the plans of any of the Dem candidates, they are all pushing for massive spending programs that will push us over the edge.

Have ANY of the Dem candidates mention one single syllable as to HOW they intend to SOLVE the debt issue? Nope; not one. None. Nada. Zip. Zilch. If they start doing it tomorrow or next week; it only proves it is an afterthought and not real. In the mean time, they will continue to sell people on the idea of free s**t. Goes down smooth.

They are treating people stupidly because that is what they need. They need to know just how far their program is working to keep people in the dark. Do you think AOC is stupid? No; she is a decoy PLAYING stupid. This isn't just politics any more.

 

[G GOLLY WAlly]

Well in my opinion Trump is our best man for the presidency, this country will become a socialist country soon enough hopefully I'm no longer around by then. If you look at all the young people standing behind Bernie Sanders when he campaigns thinking they're going to get all this free stuff. My civics teacher always said there's no such thing as a free lunch somewhere down the line someone has to pay for it. The only thing standing in the way of a one world government is the USA, once we go down it will come about, and on top of that the Bible talks of a one world government, so it will happen. And for everyone that think the conspiracy theorists are crazy maybe you should pay more attention to what the Dems are up to, to have a one world government you need a manageable population. And what did I hear come out of Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren's mouth, WE NEED A MANAGEABLE POPULATION hmmmmmm I wonder what they're up to?

 

[Redbeard U812]

It is an outdated system that needs to be abolished.

You abolish the electoral college, which is a system of checks and balances, you might as well flush the USA. Those not in the high population of the N.E. and far left (CA), will not be represented.

With that, you can bet disorder will erupt due to taxation without representation. That happened with Great Britain, then again with The Civil War.

The later resulted in the Emancipation Proclamation, which contrary to belief was not the reason for the States fighting. It did not give blacks voting rights. There still was no representation. Southern states had the raw materials and were taxed enormously, meanwhile not allowed to refine those raw materials into goods and textiles. The North held the block on that, and then sold such back.

Currently, those same high population areas depend on much higher federal revenue than rural areas. Meaning, they take more than they produce. Now, currently, the rural areas produce more in the way of raw materials and goods. While recieving less of those federal tax dollars. It is proven that the South Central and Southeastern United States produce more and pay more than the highly populated NE, but recieve less.

Take away the electoral votes and the highly populated areas control everything. Resulting in a Pre Civil War aspect. Secession will result. Then we shall have the Second Civil War.

There won't be anyone to emancipate in order to fill the ranks of military like Lincoln did because there were no troops to send to fight Santa Anna. Texas was to ceed with either Spain or Britain.

We have something much worse South of the Rio, Cartels. Bloodthirsty, and much more ruthless than Santa Anna. They are currently fighting amongst themselves because territory and money are drying up due to current administrations tactics.

Speaking of admissions.....it was the last administration that inflated the deficit to 22 trillion trying to collapse the economy in order to instill socialism. Dumb donkey asses sum bitches they are.

Pay attention !

 

[G GOLLY WAlly]

You abolish the electoral college, which is a system of checks and balances, you might as well flush the USA. Those not in the high population of the N.E. and far left (CA), will not be represented.

With that, you can bet disorder will erupt due to taxation without representation. That happened with Great Britain, then again with The Civil War.

The later resulted in the Emancipation Proclamation, which contrary to belief was not the reason for the States fighting. It did not give blacks voting rights. There still was no representation. Southern states had the raw materials and were taxed enormously, meanwhile not allowed to refine those raw materials into goods and textiles. The North held the block on that, and then sold such back.

Currently, those same high population areas depend on much higher federal revenue than rural areas. Meaning, they take more than they produce. Now, currently, the rural areas produce more in the way of raw materials and goods. While recieving less of those federal tax dollars. It is proven that the South Central and Southeastern United States produce more and pay more than the highly populated NE, but recieve less.

Take away the electoral votes and the highly populated areas control everything. Resulting in a Pre Civil War aspect. Secession will result. Then we shall have the Second Civil War.

There won't be anyone to emancipate in order to fill the ranks of military like Lincoln did because there were no troops to send to fight Santa Anna. Texas was to ceed with either Spain or Britain.

We have something much worse South of the Rio, Cartels. Bloodthirsty, and much more ruthless than Santa Anna. They are currently fighting amongst themselves because territory and money are drying up due to current administrations tactics.

Speaking of admissions.....it was the last administration that inflated the deficit to 22 trillion trying to collapse the economy in order to instill socialism. Dumb donkey asses sum bitches they are.

Pay attention !

TRIED TO COLLAPSE THE ECONOMY!!!
I AGREE 100% I always said that our biggest terroristic threat sat in the White house for 8 years!! (Obama)

 

[Tallman]

There won't be anyone to emancipate in order to fill the ranks of military like Lincoln did because there were no troops to send to fight Santa Anna. Texas was to ceed with either Spain or Britain.

The Texans kicked General Antonio López de Santa Anna's Mexican army by it self.
It was a revolutionary war against Mexico. U.S. Forces were not involved in that armed conflict. So giving Lincoln any credit for its liberation from Mexico is a disservice to all of the people who died at the Alamo.
I'm born and raised Texan and that does not just mean I lived there while growing up.

 

[fogdog]

This debt is impossible to payoff unless the US drains everyone bank account. That just about cover the debt.

Now, when the 2 trillion a year debt to run the US gov't cannot be borrowed. That is, no one will lend the US gov't the money due to risky credit, what do you think will happen? The US Gov't reduces size to minuscule gov't cutting about every program possible? NOT. The US gov't will be the last standing along with other powerful countries.

First, the SS benefits will be cut down to next to nothing saving 2 trillion itself. On the books since the 1930s depression is anyone that has gold can have it seized by the US Gov't. It is the law. The US Gov't will seize your gold and jail others as an example that refused to release it. This will effectively strike fear in the US citizens in this country. Next, with one command to major banks, the US gov't in one day can empty out the cash in your bank accounts. You see, our gov't will not go away. It will simply take from its citizens as needed. It is not exactly the US gov't serving the people now, it is the people serving the US gov't.

What can you do? I would have cash & gold assets in a Canadian bank. In Canada they speak English & you will blend in. The gold coins would be in a safety deposit box. When all this turmoil occurs, Canada will be slower to possibly seize bank accounts. They have only 30 million people to manage & feed. Their mineral deposits are the largest in the world & they have enough oil to not need imports. Your gold will buy anything and likely go up in value four times.

So, when will all this mess occur? Not sure, but possibly with in 10 years. Not so likely sooner than 10 years. But, be prepared. IMO is more dangerous to your health & well being than a War on our ground.

Myself? I will be preparing soon. Fortunately I have dual citizenship.

I don't have any money in the bank, but I do have preps, like water ,food, and things that go bang. >

 

[Redbeard U812]

The Texans kicked General Antonio López de Santa Anna's Mexican army by it self.
It was a revolutionary war against Mexico. U.S. Forces were not involved in that armed conflict. So giving Lincoln any credit for its liberation from Mexico is a disservice to all of the people who died at the Alamo.
I'm born and raised Texan and that does not just mean I lived there while growing up.

I did not give Lincoln any credit. Statement was made to explain one justification of political leverage. There were union troops sent only as appeasement for Texas staying. Rangers and scouts led the way. Killed the enemy on boths sides of the Rio Grand.

 

[Tallman]

I did not give Lincoln any credit. Statement was made to explain one justification of political leverage. There were union troops sent only as appeasement for Texas staying. Rangers and scouts led the way. Killed the enemy on boths sides of the Rio Grand.

Okay it's my bad. I get cranky sometimes and oxygen shortage worsens my crankiest nerve.