Yup. 30dB over S-9 noise is still going to be 30dB over S-9 regardless if there are a couple extra DXers on the air or not.
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Weak solar cycles = another big decline of the 11 meter local & DX population
- Thread starter Big Kahuna
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Yup. 30dB over S-9 noise is still going to be 30dB over S-9 regardless if there are a couple extra DXers on the air or not.
Homer I missed a quote. My post was in regards to jwilkers post about a few extra DXers making the band worse for locals when DX conditions return. My point was that the bands is already wall to wall noise when DX is running heavy and the addition of a couple extra stations DXing will amount to nothing at all.
Ah. Perfect CK.
I forgot to put my aluminum foil beanie on this morning and there was a lot of QRM going on upstairs.
I forgot to put my aluminum foil beanie on this morning and there was a lot of QRM going on upstairs.
That's OK. I worked last night and did not sleep well today at all. When I made that first post you ????? I was likely mostly asleep hence why I forgot to quote jwilkers post too. Back in tonight now for my last shift of this rotation. Home in the morning and off until Friday morning.
At least it will shut up the guys lecturing everyone else that CB DX is illegal.
So you actually hear people out there complaining that talking skip is illegal?
I find that hard to imagine.
CB radio is like Isometric Exercise it comes and it goes in 10-20 year cycles! LOL....Once you think it is dead it comes re-surging back. LOL
When I got involved in CB cell phones where already very real and everyone had them. I got into CB in 1991. In fact one of my friends worked at Radio Shack and he said much the same thing. My at the time was you buy it once you have it almost forever by a 18 year olds point of view! No monthly charges back then the cost to actual use the phone not just have it was insane God Help You if yo got hit with roaming charges! Also coverage was not so hot back in the day and a lot of places we went (see teenager drinking, dancing, BBQ and partying friendly) had no coverage rather remote!!
I hung out with a group of teenager's, soldiers and EMT's and their where only 2 of us that had "export radio's". I had my RCI2950 and RuberChicken had his HR2510 the rest where all using Cobra 148's, Palmaor 500's, Cobra 29,25, PC122's etc....In a town that went from a population of 3000 to a population of 29K almost over night you could count the number of Galaxy, Super Star, SummerKamp, and Cobra's with Channels kits and it was less than 50 people. RCI 2950's where not Copper friendly yet and you had to buy them through AES and the like and they where expensive! It was mostly Ham's and Soldiers that wanted to use the amateur bands and occasionally slip onto 11m that bought them. They had not caught on with "Free Banding Crowd yet" those guys where still either doing the Galaxy thing or the HR2510.
Even today a lot of guys prefer the Connex and General Lee and Styrker AM only radio's which makes no sense to me at all. It would be like castrating yourself right before you go to a island full of Amazonian Women! I can see the love for actual vintage gear but to buy a modern radio and handicap it with a vintage user interface and an uneasily large chassis just seems retarded in the classic medical sense of having an IQ below 80 I think it was not retarded as in the derogatory term misused by many! It is currently an actual medical term still.
Solar Cycles are not what killed HF for me. The foul language and white trash that is filling the local airwaves is what killed HF. You have trashy old white men mostly on CB and Amateur that are either hate filled bigots or drunks swearing and acting like fools. The language is so foul I had to start turning off my radio when my oldest boy was in the vehicle even on long road trips. The F(bomb) was flowing like coffee at a truck stop! Lude conversations about lose women and drugs and hate speech that would make a KKK member blush is what killed 11m.
People used to meet up and talk on a net and it was very social. You got to know peoples families and everything on the radio. The language was not that bad and if things got too out of line peoples families took care of it etc....Really adult conversation but still polite where held often after kids should be in bed and usually on a free band channel or on SSB etc as well.
It is not solar sun spot cycles that is kill 11m it is all the trash that is on it talking like a bunch of drunk sailor after they come back from Shore Leave!!! It the stupid echo's and reverbs and self broadcasting, ghost talking, alligator stations, splatter box, foul mouthed trash that is killing CB.
It would help if we had high quality radio's that actual fit into the available space in a modern car or truck as well. I do not want my car to look like some redneck white trash mobile with a hugh chrome radio on the dash. I am not driving a Viper or AMG or Lexus but if I was I would want to be able to mount a radio in it that did not scream "I am a redneck".
The price of radio's has stayed rather static but build quality and the basics like adjacent channel rejections, sensitive receive, low noise floor and solid strong audio have gone out the door! So we have junk radio's, cheaply built with worthless gimicks and lot's of illegal channels with poor receive and channel rejection and audio, bad solar cycle conditions, cheap readily available cellular communications, and rude crude user's driving away families and those with any standards higher than the gutter!
Young adults today do not understand how anything works on a car or their phone or a radio etc....Most of them can not jump start a car or even start a manual transmission vehicle. They have had a phone almost as long as they have had parents so why would thy have interest in something like CB? People have to have a need or desire to do something. Between the high speed broad band phone and internet they have no need or desire for CB or even Amateur Radio. Add in the insane cost of Auteur gear and the all the bigots, arrogant social elite and hate monger's in that group is it any wonder the youth do not want to join their ranks. I have not gotten licensed since my Novice in Boy Scouts becasue I could not stand their condescending attitude and I refused to learn code on principal alone even though I already knew it from both Boy Scouts and Aviation before GPS code at least a working knowledge of code was needed for navigation station identification! In my mind the condescending arrogance of most hams is just as bad as the ignorance of the bottom feeder's on CB! They are probably worse in fact becasue they are not ignorant and education or access to learning and refinement and they know better but chose to behave in a hateful, mean spirited selfish way. They make the conscious choice to be part of the "Us vs. Them" mentality! When a fool behaves foolishly you just look around shake your head and laugh becasue they do not know any better but when an educated man act's like a fool well that is another thing all together!
The lose of good old family values, decency, integrity, morals and character is what is killing HF in general. Both Amateurs and CB are failing to attract the youth. On top of that anal retentive control freaks and a lack of any real progress in what is offered in both legitimate Amateur and CB is also stifling growth! The stifling small minded control freaks within the Amateur community the culture itself is what is killing them not the FCC or limitations placed on them by the FCC. They do not get this though! Archaic data systems and lack of voice on many segments band and mode limited restricted video by class and band are not so hot either. The cost of the gear is really insane when you stop and think about it. Who would want to play in that playground it is like playing in playground designed by the same guy that designed the DMZ between North and South Korea not real inviting! LOL
When I got involved in CB cell phones where already very real and everyone had them. I got into CB in 1991. In fact one of my friends worked at Radio Shack and he said much the same thing. My at the time was you buy it once you have it almost forever by a 18 year olds point of view! No monthly charges back then the cost to actual use the phone not just have it was insane God Help You if yo got hit with roaming charges! Also coverage was not so hot back in the day and a lot of places we went (see teenager drinking, dancing, BBQ and partying friendly) had no coverage rather remote!!
I hung out with a group of teenager's, soldiers and EMT's and their where only 2 of us that had "export radio's". I had my RCI2950 and RuberChicken had his HR2510 the rest where all using Cobra 148's, Palmaor 500's, Cobra 29,25, PC122's etc....In a town that went from a population of 3000 to a population of 29K almost over night you could count the number of Galaxy, Super Star, SummerKamp, and Cobra's with Channels kits and it was less than 50 people. RCI 2950's where not Copper friendly yet and you had to buy them through AES and the like and they where expensive! It was mostly Ham's and Soldiers that wanted to use the amateur bands and occasionally slip onto 11m that bought them. They had not caught on with "Free Banding Crowd yet" those guys where still either doing the Galaxy thing or the HR2510.
Even today a lot of guys prefer the Connex and General Lee and Styrker AM only radio's which makes no sense to me at all. It would be like castrating yourself right before you go to a island full of Amazonian Women! I can see the love for actual vintage gear but to buy a modern radio and handicap it with a vintage user interface and an uneasily large chassis just seems retarded in the classic medical sense of having an IQ below 80 I think it was not retarded as in the derogatory term misused by many! It is currently an actual medical term still.
Solar Cycles are not what killed HF for me. The foul language and white trash that is filling the local airwaves is what killed HF. You have trashy old white men mostly on CB and Amateur that are either hate filled bigots or drunks swearing and acting like fools. The language is so foul I had to start turning off my radio when my oldest boy was in the vehicle even on long road trips. The F(bomb) was flowing like coffee at a truck stop! Lude conversations about lose women and drugs and hate speech that would make a KKK member blush is what killed 11m.
People used to meet up and talk on a net and it was very social. You got to know peoples families and everything on the radio. The language was not that bad and if things got too out of line peoples families took care of it etc....Really adult conversation but still polite where held often after kids should be in bed and usually on a free band channel or on SSB etc as well.
It is not solar sun spot cycles that is kill 11m it is all the trash that is on it talking like a bunch of drunk sailor after they come back from Shore Leave!!! It the stupid echo's and reverbs and self broadcasting, ghost talking, alligator stations, splatter box, foul mouthed trash that is killing CB.
It would help if we had high quality radio's that actual fit into the available space in a modern car or truck as well. I do not want my car to look like some redneck white trash mobile with a hugh chrome radio on the dash. I am not driving a Viper or AMG or Lexus but if I was I would want to be able to mount a radio in it that did not scream "I am a redneck".
The price of radio's has stayed rather static but build quality and the basics like adjacent channel rejections, sensitive receive, low noise floor and solid strong audio have gone out the door! So we have junk radio's, cheaply built with worthless gimicks and lot's of illegal channels with poor receive and channel rejection and audio, bad solar cycle conditions, cheap readily available cellular communications, and rude crude user's driving away families and those with any standards higher than the gutter!
Young adults today do not understand how anything works on a car or their phone or a radio etc....Most of them can not jump start a car or even start a manual transmission vehicle. They have had a phone almost as long as they have had parents so why would thy have interest in something like CB? People have to have a need or desire to do something. Between the high speed broad band phone and internet they have no need or desire for CB or even Amateur Radio. Add in the insane cost of Auteur gear and the all the bigots, arrogant social elite and hate monger's in that group is it any wonder the youth do not want to join their ranks. I have not gotten licensed since my Novice in Boy Scouts becasue I could not stand their condescending attitude and I refused to learn code on principal alone even though I already knew it from both Boy Scouts and Aviation before GPS code at least a working knowledge of code was needed for navigation station identification! In my mind the condescending arrogance of most hams is just as bad as the ignorance of the bottom feeder's on CB! They are probably worse in fact becasue they are not ignorant and education or access to learning and refinement and they know better but chose to behave in a hateful, mean spirited selfish way. They make the conscious choice to be part of the "Us vs. Them" mentality! When a fool behaves foolishly you just look around shake your head and laugh becasue they do not know any better but when an educated man act's like a fool well that is another thing all together!
The lose of good old family values, decency, integrity, morals and character is what is killing HF in general. Both Amateurs and CB are failing to attract the youth. On top of that anal retentive control freaks and a lack of any real progress in what is offered in both legitimate Amateur and CB is also stifling growth! The stifling small minded control freaks within the Amateur community the culture itself is what is killing them not the FCC or limitations placed on them by the FCC. They do not get this though! Archaic data systems and lack of voice on many segments band and mode limited restricted video by class and band are not so hot either. The cost of the gear is really insane when you stop and think about it. Who would want to play in that playground it is like playing in playground designed by the same guy that designed the DMZ between North and South Korea not real inviting! LOL
Can't you post anything positive to say or are you mad at the whole world?
BJ radionut
Supporting Member and 6m addict
OLT: I can't begin to understand why anybody with so much hatred of seemingly ALL radio operators would even own any gear.
You have so many misconceptions of Amateur Radio and operators, I will not even begin to acknowledge them all.
However a few points:
US Amateur licencing is at an ALL TIME high. We have reached almost 750,000 Amateur licencee's and are continuing to add more at a rate of over 25,000+ new exams being given every month. The upgrades of present licencee's is almost if not greater than the new Amateurs being added to our ranks..
Look around this forum alone over the past several years and you can see the growth not only here in the US but Worldwide.
We are not bigots, hate mongers and other descriptive terms you continue to flaunt.
That is only your reflection in the mirror you continue to see.
I myself am gratified you believe HF is dead, we neither want you or desire your attitude on the bands.
The 37+ years I have been a licencee. I have made life long friends. I continue to add more and so do many others both here and abroad.
The Worldwide Amateur Community continues to have intelligent and highly educated individuals join our ranks. We our a community of fine people.
We are Firefighters, Law Enforcement,and our Brave and Honored Armed Forces Personnel, both active and retired. We are young an old, Mothers and Fathers, Sisters and Brothers to each other.
We are Tradesman who build and maintain the world you live in. We are so many good people that for some reason seem to try to make your miserable existence meaningful.
Yes as in any walk of life a few bad apples have gotten in the barrel, much as you have done here.
Well you will have to excuse me for not continuing I hear someone calling CQ on the band I am listening to. Another new, fine friend awaits.
73
All the Best
Gary/ W9FNB
You have so many misconceptions of Amateur Radio and operators, I will not even begin to acknowledge them all.
However a few points:
US Amateur licencing is at an ALL TIME high. We have reached almost 750,000 Amateur licencee's and are continuing to add more at a rate of over 25,000+ new exams being given every month. The upgrades of present licencee's is almost if not greater than the new Amateurs being added to our ranks..
Look around this forum alone over the past several years and you can see the growth not only here in the US but Worldwide.
We are not bigots, hate mongers and other descriptive terms you continue to flaunt.
That is only your reflection in the mirror you continue to see.
I myself am gratified you believe HF is dead, we neither want you or desire your attitude on the bands.
The 37+ years I have been a licencee. I have made life long friends. I continue to add more and so do many others both here and abroad.
The Worldwide Amateur Community continues to have intelligent and highly educated individuals join our ranks. We our a community of fine people.
We are Firefighters, Law Enforcement,and our Brave and Honored Armed Forces Personnel, both active and retired. We are young an old, Mothers and Fathers, Sisters and Brothers to each other.
We are Tradesman who build and maintain the world you live in. We are so many good people that for some reason seem to try to make your miserable existence meaningful.
Yes as in any walk of life a few bad apples have gotten in the barrel, much as you have done here.
Well you will have to excuse me for not continuing I hear someone calling CQ on the band I am listening to. Another new, fine friend awaits.
73
All the Best
Gary/ W9FNB
OLT you really should go back and re-read this post.
It does not make you sound very intelligent, and you contradict yourself at least three times in it.
Maybe you wrote it over a long period of time, maybe it was really late and you were falling asleep, or maybe you were in some sort of "other" state of mind, but your post ended up giving everyone a more negative impression of you without really saying anything cohesive.
Honestly some parts of it barely make any sense.
I do not say this to be insulting, but you put it out there for the public to read, and thereby invited the criticism.
LC
It does not make you sound very intelligent, and you contradict yourself at least three times in it.
Maybe you wrote it over a long period of time, maybe it was really late and you were falling asleep, or maybe you were in some sort of "other" state of mind, but your post ended up giving everyone a more negative impression of you without really saying anything cohesive.
Honestly some parts of it barely make any sense.
I do not say this to be insulting, but you put it out there for the public to read, and thereby invited the criticism.
LC
Good Lord. A long buzzardly AM post that felt like it belonged on a vhf repeater.
Too bad there's no more piss and moan net....OLT should not watch the following video. He might have a heart attack.
Too bad there's no more piss and moan net....OLT should not watch the following video. He might have a heart attack.