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What determines Wattage handling

Heavy Metal

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When one looks at what antenna to get why does most antennas have such a vast difference in power handling? What determines how much power an antenna can handle? And what gauge wire can take what amount of wattage before needing to go up to the next gauge as well, and finally using wire why does 18, 16, 14,12 gauge do so so on band width yet 10 gauge does very well it 8 gauge does not?
 

Two main things determine power handling. Conductor size and insulators used. The heavier the conductor the more power it will handle and the better quality the insulators used as well as better spacing the more power can be handled. As for wire size, the heavier the wire the more power it can handle however other things come into play when that wire is wound into a coil/ The coil has to be able to dissipate the heat so even if large wire is used the coil must be made such that heat can be gotten rid of. Also the insulator material must be good quality. Another factor that you have confused is equating wide bandwidth with being good. Such is not the case actually. W-I-D-E bandwidth is indicative of high losses. Small wire close wound can actually show a much wider bandwidth than heavy wire wide spaced wound but the larger coil will be a much better performer with far less loss.
 
So if I had a 10 gauge wire antenna and used a coil of 14 gauge or even 16 gauge say wound tightly would be better than all it being 10 gauge?
 
Also take Antron 99 vs I-Max 2000 the Antron 99 is 16 gauge and the i-max 2000 is 14 gauge 99 handle @2K the 2000 @5K. Explain why such a big difference in power handling here?
 
Heavy Metal you are asking some very good questions in some of your posts.

You seem to ask very general questions then you lead into direct questions concerning the topic.

My best advice to you is to purchase or borrow an ARRL antenna handbook.

It is a great source of information and worth having in the shack.

As to why an A99 handles 2K and an I2K handles 5K?
Maybe the same reason Jo Gunn has audio amplification as an operating specification on their antennas.

Advertising hype.
 
Heavy Metal you are asking some very good questions in some of your posts.

You seem to ask very general questions then you lead into direct questions concerning the topic.

My best advice to you is to purchase or borrow an ARRL antenna handbook.

It is a great source of information and worth having in the shack.

As to why an A99 handles 2K and an I2K handles 5K?
Maybe the same reason Jo Gunn has audio amplification as an operating specification on their antennas.

Advertising hype.





I have a 1991 image.jpg

See lol

Always neat to flip thru but I still enjoy asking things I don't see that's I am trying to learn on.
 
But what decides how much power an antenna takes? Basic bottom line? Some posts I seen here say as low as 16-18 gauge can handle full power and then I have built a few indoor horizontals that were 14ga, 12ga, 10ga, 8ga 6ga and so far 10ga has seem to be best when comes to bandwidth. But once went 8ga and 6ga it narrowed. Same type electrical wire too. For example 10ga went over 3 MHz under 1.5:1 and just above 4 MHz 2.0:1 yet 12ga down and 8ga up was under 2 MHz 2.0:1. Yes I did experiments used same device to connect each one too so I have a base starting point. So all wires had a comman base starting point or reference point .
 
So if I had a 10 gauge wire antenna and used a coil of 14 gauge or even 16 gauge say wound tightly would be better than all it being 10 gauge?

The size of the actual antenna wire will not factor too much as for power handling as the antenna wire dissipates very little heat because it radiates the power applied too it. 14 guage antenna wire will handle many kilowatts. The wire wound into a coil is what will dissipate the heat and should be large as possible for good efficiency. In most cases you are splitting hairs as to which is more efficient and the main concern becomes handling the heat and RF voltages.

I have a 1991 View attachment 15473

See lol

Always neat to flip thru but I still enjoy asking things I don't see that's I am trying to learn on.


That is the ARRL Handbook not the ARRL ANTENNA Book.
 
Exactly. The biggest factor in how much power, or gain an antenna will handle is the bullshit factor. that is pretty much self explanatory.



Understand that, so what is the facts vs the bs factor, when it comes to gain and what an antenna can handle or what one what's the antenna to handle and gain that will receive from that?
 
Understand that, so what is the facts vs the bs factor, when it comes to gain and what an antenna can handle or what one what's the antenna to handle and gain that will receive from that?

14 AWG can handle several thousand watts at HF no problem, assuming it is a straight wire and not coiled, and for antennas stranded wire can handle a little more power than non-stranded wire. If it is coiled how much power it can handle at a given frequency depends more on the coil design then the diameter of the wire. The larger coils with a larger spacing between the windings is more efficient then the smaller coils with wires right next to each other. Such designs can also handle more power simply becasue the windings of the coil are further apart, and thus it takes more of a voltage difference to arc from one to the other.

Power handling has little to nothing to do with antenna gain. Bandwidth, however, is indirectly related. With rare exception (very rare) the higher the bandwidth in the antenna system directly equates to higher losses, which lessens the amount of signal radiated from the antenna, thus lowering potential gain. That being said, I highly doubt you will notice much of a performance difference with the difference between those wire diameters in the real world. The difference is calculated by the ratio of the wire's diameter compared to the wavelength in question. With the wavelength at these frequencies being 36 feet give or take, there really isn't much of a difference as far as the RF signal is concerned...

I am curious how much power you plan on running?

And I agree with those from above, get the ARRL Antenna Book. There is a lot more regarding antennas in there than in the ARRL Handbook...


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14 AWG can handle several thousand watts at HF no problem, assuming it is a straight wire and not coiled, and for antennas stranded wire can handle a little more power than non-stranded wire. If it is coiled how much power it can handle at a given frequency depends more on the coil design then the diameter of the wire. The larger coils with a larger spacing between the windings is more efficient then the smaller coils with wires right next to each other. Such designs can also handle more power simply becasue the windings of the coil are further apart, and thus it takes more of a voltage difference to arc from one to the other.

Power handling has little to nothing to do with antenna gain. Bandwidth, however, is indirectly related. With rare exception (very rare) the higher the bandwidth in the antenna system directly equates to higher losses, which lessens the amount of signal radiated from the antenna, thus lowering potential gain. That being said, I highly doubt you will notice much of a performance difference with the difference between those wire diameters in the real world. The difference is calculated by the ratio of the wire's diameter compared to the wavelength in question. With the wavelength at these frequencies being 36 feet give or take, there really isn't much of a difference as far as the RF signal is concerned...

I am curious how much power you plan on running?

And I agree with those from above, get the ARRL Antenna Book. There is a lot more regarding antennas in there than in the ARRL Handbook...


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So Basically little to no coil and straighter it is more power it can handle?

That being said putting a balum current one would limit it by the power capability of the balum vs winding coax as a choke say 9913f or LMR400uf, then the coax would then be the determining factor on how much one can push in power out.

So back to the antenna and coiling using iMax 2000 instead of coils as in base, an actual straight 24' would be just as wide banded or is their something else going on?
 

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