well. didn't this thread turn out extremely informative!!! there is someone down here in the south who rambles on without getting down on 6 and he bleeds all over 4,5,7 and 8 its annoying as fk. same thing with someone DIFFERENT on 15. i need to find some real nice simple plans then just build my own with the best quality components i can afford/find. i think that would be the best way to go.....