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Winmor

Great! It's ARQ wrapped around RDFT.

The winmor station is connecting to an outside service (or SMS) via IP.

This seems analogus to IRLP, only the 3rd party at the other end is a non-ham who has intercepted the "LINK" midstream...

Do you think it would be OK to link a station to Yahoo Chat or any other VOIP service?
 
§97.115 Third party communications
(a) An amateur station may transmit messages for a third party to:

(1) Any station within the jurisdiction of the United States.
... etc ...

(c) No station may be automatically controlled while transmitting third party communications, except a station transmitting a RTTY or data emission. All
messages that are retransmitted must originate at a station that is being locally or remotely controlled.



The regs explicitly allow 3rd party data transmission and the station relaying can be under automatic control. The FCC doesn't regulate who or what you are sending third party traffic for, except as it relates to non-U.S. stations. So, until the FCC says you can't, 3rd party yahoo chat is no different than third party email or third party voice.
 
But for fully automatic control, the station would need to transmit data. That's D-Star, right?

BTW, I was thinking of Yahoo audio chat, or Skype...
 
Regardless, it kinda seems like I could set up my base station on 80 meters to relay Skype over the airwaves, then anyone on the forum could chat, ham or not.

As long as I sent my station ID every 10 minutes, as background CW...
 
But for fully automatic control, the station would need to transmit data. That's D-Star, right?

BTW, I was thinking of Yahoo audio chat, or Skype...


DSTAR is digital phone unless you're using one of the digital modes like DPRS. I think the FCC would view audio chat like Skype as phone also. Doing this over the ham airwaves would be the same as phone patch, which is also OK for 3rd party traffic, btw. People have been doing that for years.
 
And AutoPatch or with a Skype 3rd party, as you listed 97.115(c) must not be automatcially controlled.

D-Star should be considered digital, not phone.

Would PSK31 be considered phone if the stations had something like ViaVoice (converts voice audio to ascii and visa-versa)?
 
So what are people really complaining about with Winlink/Winmor?

Automatic operation that in many cases just fires up on top of people in ongoing QSOs. Locally it was misconfigured telpac (packet) gateways on 2m that were destroying an established packet network...took months to get the ops to move them.

People obscuring business/commercial email traffic because basically nobody can actually monitor the traffic...goes against ham radio principles for use of spectrum.

The ability for people to attach "Hi How are you.doc" MS Word files or pdf files when the same single sentence in plain ascii text would be a fraction of a percent of the file size to send. This is a very real problem with 1200b rate packet networks for message handling.

Closed source software and protocols - Leaves the supposed 'emergency' communications efforts at the mercy of the authors.

Example: if they put a backdoor in the software (no way to tell because it is closed source) they could remotely shut down all users of Winlink at will.

The authors have an obvious business affiliation with, until Winmor, the sole source hardware manufacturer of the Pactor III modem that Winlink requires. So it's a business monopoly for $1500 modems (ludicrously over priced excluding many amateurs from even participating or having access to the system). Modems that are manufactured by a business interest of a foreign government (SCS German company).

Layer politics on it...what if we were at war with Germany...a foreign interest would have full control on what is supposed to be an emergency/disaster last resort method of communications.

The concept is sound, it's all the details that are all wrong.
 
The concept is sound, it's all the details that are all wrong.

Yep, I agree with that. I'm not sure if the Winmor application is open source, but at least it's being developed by a group of individuals that seem to be open about taking everyone's input, distributing it freely/cheaply, and making sure it works well.
 
It's a start in the right direction....yes it's closed source, but the $1500 requirement is at least gone.

I'm sort of surprised there hasn't been an open source competitor to winlink popping up yet....wouldn't shock me if one did though. Winlink would disappear quickly if one did.

The system does work, I won't take that from it. I have an account and have done a pile of testing via 'plain' packet and other alternate means of interfacing. Now that my local interference problem is gone (I did find out it was LID operation of the nodes, not the software itself) I'm a bit more laid back with my view of the system.

It's falling more in line with D-Star...which I also don't like due to it's monopolistic qualities, but even that is changing now as people are poking at more 'open' implementations of it.

And just for the sound of my own voice....I don't have a problem with proprietary products and businesses making money. I just don't like that clashing with ham radio which in my mind is similar to the linux/BSD etc open source software communities. People helping people learn and doing so by freely distributing technology and information.
 
I have dowloaded winmor, set it up, and have heard one stn sending an ID, tried to connect to it but as yet no avail,although it is reading a 2 -3 here, no idea why no connection.
Sound wise it sounds like packet, wonder if one could connect to a packet modem...

DOCTOR/795
 
Sound wise it sounds like packet, wonder if one could connect to a packet modem...

No, as far as I know, that won't work. Winmor is it's own protocol, although you can use point-to-point or station to RMS. Download RMS Express for a mail client to get it working. It will update itself over the internet with the list of servers and then just follow the instructions to try and send email over HF. Works great.
 

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