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70 Cm band MUST READ!!

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To all hams who are interested in the 70 CM band,

We HAMS, ALL of us have been sold out by the ARRL.
I went to the ARRL mission statement page and found the following:

ARRL LABORATORY MISSION STATEMENT

Overview

The ARRL Lab and its staff provide a wide range of technical services and
support to ARRL's membership, volunteers, officers and staff and the ARRL Field
Organization.

Technical Advocacy

Working in partnership with ARRL's Washington, DC Technical Relations Office,
the ARRL Lab staff maintain strong contact with the professional industry to
help ensure that Amateur Radio is represented in the development of industry
standards and industry programs to address RFI/EMC issues. The Lab staff sit on
a number of industry committees, including the IEEE EMC Society Standards
Development Committee, the ANSI accredited C63 EMC committee and others. The
Lab also has informal contact with many groups and companies in industry,
ranging from groups like the Society of Cabletelecommunications Engineers to
industry committees such as HomePlug, developing standards for in-house
broadband over power line (BPL) devices.

Product Testing

We at the ARRL Laboratory are committed to provide its members with extensive
test results of Amateur Radio related products through our monthly Product
Review articles in QST.

Radio Frequency Interference

To have a comprehensive RFI program in place that helps members with RFI
problems and to work with industry standards, organizations, helping to
prevent RFI problems before they happen.

*****************************************************************************
Spectrum Protection

To perform research and development to ensure that Radio Amateurs have
continued access to spectrum and protection from interference from Non-Amateur
services.
*****************************************************************************

Technical information

To maintain a pool of technical information through our web pages at
Amateur Radio Technology | ARRL Laboratory and help ARRL members with individual technical
questions.

This is their generic mission statement. It is a lie. Like other Government
agencies, the ARRRL is a group of stuffed shirt politicians just like any other
government agency. The ARRL is nothing more than a group of high paid
and high placed individuals who are for sale to the highest bidder. Recently
as most HAMS know There was a very important battle concerning the 70
CM band which consists of 420MHz - 450Mhz band. Most individual Hams did
not put up much of a fight over this band, because the ARRL told us again and
again that they would not let the government take this band. For those of you
who are not familiar with the 70 Cm band it is heavily used by hams. There
are/were many hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on radio equipment
that is only useful on this band including worldwide networks of repeaters
that allowed the average HAM to talk worldwide using a small amount of power.

This is all gone now. The ARRL lied to us like all government agencies lie
to us. This whole Amature band is now unuseable. To quote an artical from a
magazine called QST which is a monthly publication put out by the ARRL.
page 12 on the left hand side of the page under "In Brief".
"On November 30, the four FCC Commissioners unanimously agreed to allocate
spectrum and adopt service and technical rules for the utilization of new
implanted medical devices that operate on 413-457 MHz. This leaves only 7 Mhz
of the 70Cm band unallocated. This means the ARRL is nothing more than a
Marionette doll controlled by strings that are held in the hands of our
oppressive government. On top of all that Nobody was notified except those
of us who carefully read QST magazine. And this very important news that will
effect thousands of users was hidden in some obscure "In Brief" footnote.

I have been a HAM for about a year, I am highly intelligent and articulate
but this almost escaped my notice. I wonder how many others out there are not
aware. This new change means that if you are a user of the 70 Cm band and
you are of the many not aware of this change, then next time you key up your
70 Cm transceiver somebody may very well drop dead. Due to interference with a
"medical implant".

I am ashamed of myself for placing ANY faith in this ARRL fiasco. I am
ashamed of myself for joining the ARRL and paying dues to this appendage of
our corrupt government. I did these things because I foolishly thought that
they would one of the good guys. Please do not make the same mistake I did.
The ARRL is part of the government they could not care less about us HAMS.
However, they do put on a good show.

Additionally I was listening to the 2 M technet last night.
A gentleman working for law enforcement called in wanting to know
how he could route his law enforcement "emergency" transmission
via the 33 cm band from Palmdale, California to Las Vegas
Nv through repeaters. Now, on the surface this seems harmless enough
but I believe that once the connection has been made and is encrypted,
there is no way for us to be sure what type of data is being transmitted
along this pathway. This is in CLEAR violation of part 97 of the FCC rules
and cannot be allowed. But it will be allowed just like the 70 Cm band was
taken away from us, that was OUR BAND. But it no longer is our band.
the next band to go is the 33 Cm band. Which will be taken over by "Law
Enforcement" through these discreet misleading type of connections.

How many bands are we as Americans going to let our corrupt lying
government take away from us before we respond. Yes it is true that there
is a lot of crime out there in this big bad world. Most of it is being
committed by the very people that are in charge of enforcing our laws,
what a great place to hide.
:unsure:
 

I'm not going to read all that but if you are saying the ARRL sucks then yeah, no argument.
 
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Lots of misconceptions and flat out sensationalism in that. Most of the VHF/UHF bands are 'shared', we (hams) don't 'own' them. As for the law enforcement thingy, they are not governed by Part-97 to start with so that doesn't even apply. Get it straight.

As for the ARRL being the best thing since sliced bread, NO they are not. (I know that from first hand experience.) Wanna do something about it? Great, do so! You can't do that from whining and complaining, too easy to ignore that sort of thing, goes on all the time. Do it from the 'inside', where you at least have a chance.
- 'Doc
 
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This new change means that if you are a user of the 70 Cm band and you are of the many not aware of this change, then next time you key up your 70 Cm transceiver somebody may very well drop dead. Due to interference with a "medical implant".

And here I was contemplating buying a 70 cm radio to add to my ham station...maybe I should nix this idea now?
 
I very much doubt if keying a 70 cm radio is going to kill anyone. A medical device depending for it's operation on any RF device is a very silly idea. They can, and possibly do -report- their operations by RF, but the operation of such devices are not dependent on RF. There's just too much RF floating around every where and every day for that to be a very dangerous consideration. Half the fast-food drive-thru's use the 70 cm range for ordering. You know?
- 'Doc
 
Half the fast-food drive-thru's use the 70 cm range for ordering.

I'll admit, that I didn't know....but it's giving me ideas...:D

I do happen to know, some of the school busses use (or did use) the 457 MHz area for their operations.
 
I'll admit, that I didn't know....but it's giving me ideas...:D

I do happen to know, some of the school busses use (or did use) the 457 MHz area for their operations.

Yep, all them smart pacemakers gonna jam the band with their 1mw of power. damn i wonder how many old folks i am going to murder today with my 70cm HT?
 
The ARRL issue aside,
If I read it right, the devices will use spread spectrum technology and are made to send signals inside the body, not outside.
They run at < 1 milliwatt level inside the tissue.
The tissue itself will help shield the interference that we might see, and also help shield the devices from outside interference to some degree.
The company's that build the devices are not going to put themselves and all the research cost in jeopardy knowing that the 400/460 MHz range is full of private, commercial, military and amateur radio users, we are not the only ones that use this range.
In the event of a unmanageable interference problem, the devices are designed to shut down in such a way as to not be harmful.
They are very aware of other users in the band.
On top of that the pave paws radar systems in use today would be an even bigger problem if user`s were anywhere near them as well.
One last thing is We, as Amateur user`s are secondary user`s .

Further reading:

http://www.its.bldrdoc.gov/isart/art11/Stover_Griffith_Implanted_Medical.pdf

73
Jeff
 
"On November 30, the four FCC Commissioners unanimously agreed to allocate
spectrum and adopt service and technical rules for the utilization of new
implanted medical devices that operate on 413-457 MHz. This leaves only 7 Mhz
of the 70Cm band unallocated. This means the ARRL is nothing more than a
Marionette doll controlled by strings that are held in the hands of our
oppressive government. On top of all that Nobody was notified except those
of us who carefully read QST magazine. And this very important news that will
effect thousands of users was hidden in some obscure "In Brief" footnote.

Chicken Little Syndrom. "THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!"
LOL

I have been a HAM for about a year

Ahhhh....young Grasshopper. You have much (very much) to learnabout amateur radio and all it's workings. 70 cm was never OURS. We have always had secondary user status on that band.

I am highly intelligent and articulate
but this almost escaped my notice. I wonder how many others out there are not
aware. This new change means that if you are a user of the 70 Cm band and
you are of the many not aware of this change, then next time you key up your
70 Cm transceiver somebody may very well drop dead. Due to interference with a
"medical implant".
Not disputing your intelligence but I suggest you rethink that "key up and someone drops dead" idea. :whistle: I hope no one with an implant lives anywhere near a PAVE PAWS radar facility. If you are not familiar with PAVE PAWS look it up. 420-450 MHz range. I can see people dropping dead in a huge circle surrounding such a facility. :LOL:





70cm band was never ours

we were always secondary on 70cm
However the ARRL is Not on hams sides ( for sure )

Agreed on all accounts.


Lots of misconceptions and flat out sensationalism in that. Most of the VHF/UHF bands are 'shared', we (hams) don't 'own' them. As for the law enforcement thingy, they are not governed by Part-97 to start with so that doesn't even apply. Get it straight.

As for the ARRL being the best thing since sliced bread, NO they are not. (I know that from first hand experience.) Wanna do something about it? Great, do so! You can't do that from whining and complaining, too easy to ignore that sort of thing, goes on all the time. Do it from the 'inside', where you at least have a chance.
- 'Doc

I very much doubt if keying a 70 cm radio is going to kill anyone. A medical device depending for it's operation on any RF device is a very silly idea. They can, and possibly do -report- their operations by RF, but the operation of such devices are not dependent on RF. There's just too much RF floating around every where and every day for that to be a very dangerous consideration. Half the fast-food drive-thru's use the 70 cm range for ordering. You know?
- 'Doc


The voice of reason always speaks louder than the voice of panic. (y)
 
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Like other Government agencies, the ARRRL is a group of stuffed shirt politicians just like any other government agency. The ARRL is nothing more than a group of high paid and high placed individuals who are for sale to the highest bidder.
I have been a HAM for about a year, I am highly intelligent and articulate ...


But... not intelligent enough to know that the ARRL is not a government agency (even though it sometimes acts like one).
 
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