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caspear1978

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Ok just sitting here thinking about what the rules are for cw,, is it a no no to tx cw on 11m or can you legally do it?
 

There's not much that is legal on 11 meters, so what do you think the answer would be?

Just go for it - it can't be any worse than what Ch. 6 is!!!

I hear CW on 11 meters just about everyday when the DX is in.
 
Just about everyone on "CB" band aka "11 meters" is Illegal. It was intended for voice only and 4 watts. So yes...not to mention annoying.
I think I heard the same jack@ss
 
'CW' is just a carrier with no modulation applied to it. Probably everyone has transmitted that at one time or another. So how would you listen to it? Got a SSB radio with a 'clarifier'? That's all you need. Is it legal? Probably not, but you hear carriers all the time, don't you? Just pick a clear channel so you don't interfere.
- 'Doc
 
Actually , I believe it is allowed, i remember some old "walkie talkies" that transmitted on ch 14 that had Morse code included, It was still AM, you pressed the PTT and then hit the little button to send code.....most even had a sticker on them with the code on it.
Space patrol radio`s or something along the lines of that.

73
Jeff
 
AudioShockwav said:
Actually , I believe it is allowed, i remember some old "walkie talkies" ...
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without gettting too technical,..... some of you are confusing "morse code" with :"A1A/A2A" type emissions, they may (or may not) be the same.

the only "legal" emissions for cb are emission types A1D, H1D, J1D, R1D, A3E, H3E, J3E, R3E.
 
hookedon6 said:
without gettting too technical,..... some of you are confusing "morse code" with :"A1A/A2A" type emissions, they may (or may not) be the same.

the only "legal" emissions for cb are emission types A1D, H1D, J1D, R1D, A3E, H3E, J3E, R3E.
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WTF? Do I have to look that crap up?

CW or MCW? I don't think so...


A1D, H1D, J1D, R1D, A3E, H3E, J3E, R3E are generic definitions of the emission types and do not adequately define the types of communicaitons.


A = AM (Amplitude Modulation), double sideband, full carrier
H = AM, single sideband, full carrier
R = AM, single sideband, reduced or controlled carrier
J = AM, single sideband, suppressed carrier

1 = Digital, on-off or quantized, no modulation
3 = Single analog channel

D = Data, telemetry, telecommand
E = Telephony, voice, sound broadcasting



Sec. 95.412 (CB Rule 12) What communications may be transmitted?

(a) You may use your CB station to transmit two-way plain language
communications. Two-way plain language communications are communications
without codes or coded messages. Operating signals such as ``ten codes''
are not considered codes or coded messages. You may transmit two-way
plain language communications only to other CB stations, to units of
your own CB station or to authorized government stations on CB
frequencies about--
(1) Your personal or business activities or those of members of your
immediate family living in your household;
(2) Emergencies (see CB Rule 18, Sec. 95.418);
(3) Traveler assistance (see CB Rule 18, Sec. 95.418); or
(4) Civil defense activities in connection with official tests or
drills conducted by, or actual emergencies announced by, the civil
defense agency with authority over the area in which your station is
located.
(b) You may use your CB station to transmit a tone signal only when
the signal is used to make contact or to continue communications.
(Examples of circuits using these signals are tone operated squelch and
selective calling circuits.) If the signal is an audible tone, it must
last no longer than 15 seconds at one time. If the signal is a
subaudible tone, it may be transmitted continuously only as long as you
are talking.
(c) You may use your CB station to transmit one-way communications
(messages which are not intended to establish communications between two
or more particular CB stations) only for emergency communications,
traveler assistance, brief tests (radio checks) or voice paging.




Sec. 95.413 (CB Rule 13) What communications are prohibited?

(a) You must not use a CB station--
(1) In connection with any activity which is against federal, state
or local law;
(2) To transmit obscence, indecent or profane words, language or
meaning;
(3) To interfere intentionally with the communications of another CB
station;
(4) To transmit one-way communications, except for emergency
communications, traveler assistance, brief tests (radio checks), or
voice paging;
(5) To advertise or solicit the sale of any goods or services;
(6) To transmit music, whistling, sound effects or any material to
amuse or entertain;
(7) To transmit any sound effect solely to attract attention;
(8) To transmit the word ``MAYDAY'' or any other international
distress signal, except when your station is located in a ship, aircraft
or other vehicle which is threatened by grave and imminent danger and
your are requesting immediate assistance;
(9) To communicate with, or attempt to communicate with, any CB
station more than 250 kilometers (155.3 miles) away;
(10) To advertise a political candidate or political campaign; (you
may use your CB radio for the business or organizational aspects of a
campaign, if you follow all other applicable rules);
(11) To communicate with stations in other countries, except General
Radio Service stations in Canada; or
(12) To transmit a false or deceptive communication.
(b) You must not use a CB station to transmit communications for
live or delayed rebroadcast on a radio or television broadcast station.
You may use your CB station to gather news items or to prepare programs.
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Code: 
M = Modulation Type

N   None
A   AM (Amplitude Modulation), double sideband, full carrier
H   AM, single sideband, full carrier
R   AM, single sideband, reduced or controlled carrier
J   AM, single sideband, suppressed carrier
B   AM, independent sidebands
C   AM, vestigial sideband  (commonly analog TV)

F   Angle-modulated, straight FM
G   Angle-modulated, phase modulation (common; sounds like FM)

D   Carrier is amplitude and angle modulated

P   Pulse, no modulation
K   Pulse, amplitude modulation (PAM, PSM)
L   Pulse, width modulation (PWM)
M   Pulse, phase or position modulation (PPM)
Q   Pulse, carrier also angle-modulated during pulse
W   Pulse, two or more modes used

X   All cases not covered above


N =  Nature of modulating signal

0   None
1   Digital, on-off or quantized, no modulation
2   Digital, with modulation
3   Single analog channel
7   Two or more digital channels
8   Two or more analog channels
9   Composite, one or more digital channel, one or more analog

X   All cases not covered above


I = Information type

N   None
A   Aural telegraphy, for people (Morse code)
B   Telegraphy for machine copy (RTTY, fast Morse)
C   Analog fax
D   Data, telemetry, telecommand
E   Telephony, voice, sound broadcasting
F   Video, television
W   Combinations of the above

X   All cases not covered above
 
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caspear1978 said:
Ok just sitting here thinking about what the rules are for cw,, is it a no no to tx cw on 11m or can you legally do it?
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If you want to run CW on 11 meters by all means go for it. There are two 11 meter frequencies designated for CW and they are 27.025 and 27.185. Have fun!
 
AudioShockwav said:
Actually , I believe it is allowed, i remember some old "walkie talkies" that transmitted on ch 14 that had Morse code included, It was still AM, you pressed the PTT and then hit the little button to send code.....most even had a sticker on them with the code on it.
Space patrol radio`s or something along the lines of that.

73
Jeff
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YES I HAD THOSE AS A KID!!!!!!(y)
 
i wasn't planning on running cw was just wondering about it, i've heard a lot of cw on 38 lsb from time to time and was wondering what the legal side of it was, wasn't sure if it was legal or not and wonder if its more ham operators running it, and wondering why they come down to 38 lsb when they have how many bands to work on, but yet we as 11m operators cant go up there with out getting in trouble, was just a thought and by no means did i mean to start anything with it or try to get any one in trouble, i've read some rules and have seen its ok to run cw in certain situations, but not for just communications back and forth between 2 stations, i've always wanted to learn cw and do it the old way with a keyer , seems like it would be more interesting then running loads of power just to have your voice heard thats the easy way, i think learning cw and making contacts that way will be more enjoy able, i've heard its a dying art, but i haven't been to any ham bands yet, i'm hoping come summer time ill have my ticket to start exploring more on the other bands, and thanks for all the info on the matter as well,,,, mark
 

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