like I said Mole ,It's all good dude (-: , I understand what you said and IM sure others did as well. Didn't mean to sound like I was shooting you down or anything like that. I personally don't have a problem with the right ways or the wrong ways as long as it all works in the end. (-: You know ,like that thread of yours a while back about the NPC mod (great thread as well !!) and why they didn't look so good on the scope , I sure learned something that time !! In the wonderful world of cb radio , folks just tend to like what they like , Case in point , I've done a few NPC's along with the dreaded swing kits and I told the guys the truth about them ,but guess what ? I couldn't have got them to change back even for trying ? Go figure huh ? They hear there stuff and they like what they hear or the radio checks they get .....Guy's ain't happy unless there over modulated Mole )-: but at the same time , if that's what they want ? so be it !! for me ,it's about having fun ,talking to all the rest of the folks coming out my speaker box , and that would be the good the bad and the ugly of them all (-: No offence meant Mole , I just love "MY" cb hobby . Peace