10 meters, is it really that bad???

[Radio Tech]

Good comment about the roger beeps. Funny thing is , cb roger beeps are second hand. It all started with Nasa. Then moved into ham radio, Yep we hear them on repeaters every day. I have even heard them on 20 meters many years ago by some of the old timers. Then I think they fell to the wayside.

Echo mics and noise tous do not belong on AR. I agree with that. But we have to let the new folk nknow this like you mentioned.

 

[SR385]

NY metro area is littered on 10m with people running export radios and pretty much acting like they are still on 11m.

You hear all sorts of nonsense.

Electronics theory myths

Stupid slang language QSL QSL? That's eh-rogha there, rog-o QSL?

Completely blown out and overdriven audio with guys telling each other it sounds good.

People talking about porn, rape, drugs, very high class group.

Is it the whole band? No, not at all, luckily the groups tend to stick to themselves so they don't sound so foolish. Is it quite prevalent, common? Yes.

As long as they don't interfere with normal people, I don't have much of an issue with it myself. The shame of it is, when people interject and try to educate them, they are simply too dumb to understand and react with the predictable low IQ response...anger.

Profanity and other toilet talk doesn't belong on the amateur bands though. Stupid you can't fix, but that you can. That's mostly where I draw the line.

 

[KB1TPX]

It's like any good thing, there will always be those who come along and screw it up for everybody else.

 

[wa3hdq]

10 meter

Gee, wonder what people think when they have QSOs with me? Being from the Pa Dutch area of southern Pa., it's "you uns" "It's all" " I just threw the dog over the fence some bones" "Copy me now". 10 meters still is my favorite band.So if you uns hear me on give me a hollar. Gotta go, my ice teas' all and leabanon bologna need put up.
73's

 

[n8fgb]

I work a lot of 10 meter hear, one of my favorite bands. I will hear someone tell me his personal, and I will respond with "I don't know what a first personel is, but my handle is Rich". If you look close at part 97, I think you will see roger beeps are not legal. Repeaters use courtisy tones to let you know the timer has reset. I will also find techs on 500 and above, i will just kindly inform them they are out of band, so they learn.
Rich

 

[Sonwatcher]

Gee, wonder what people think when they have QSOs with me? Being from the Pa Dutch area of southern Pa., it's "you uns" "It's all" " I just threw the dog over the fence some bones" "Copy me now". 10 meters still is my favorite band.So if you uns hear me on give me a hollar. Gotta go, my ice teas' all and leabanon bologna need put up.
73's

Yo ! A home boy ! LOL ! Snyder Co. here. Have to throw the cow over the hay some fence ! LOL !

 

[Sonwatcher]

If you look close at part 97, I think you will see roger beeps are not legal. Repeaters use courtisy tones to let you know the timer has reset.

Not so sure about that. The FCC's definition on the Tech test for a courtesy tone-

What is a courtesy tone?
A tone used to indicate when a transmission is complete

It is said courtesy tones were used for a period of time during the 70's on SSB Amateur bands. It is said that Motorola began the first use of the tone on business band radios. The use in Amateur and CB services are said to have gained ground with Gemini and Apollo missions that incorporated a tone ( beep ). But given the FCC's technical answer as to the definition of a Courtesy Tone I think one would be hard pressed to state they are illegal when used .

 

[n8fgb]

Roger beeps are not courtesy tones. They are nothing more than noise toys, with no usefull purpose other than to show off. THis makes them a violation of both part 95 and 97.
Rich

 

[Sonwatcher]

Roger beeps are not courtesy tones. They are nothing more than noise toys, with no usefull purpose other than to show off. THis makes them a violation of both part 95 and 97.
Rich

That may be one use by some but I believe there are individuals that have used them as a courtesy tone during hard conditions. Given that correct use of the tone by FCC definition I do not believe they are illegal.

 

[Robb]

I don't think the FCC enforcement group has ever cited anyone or successfully prosecuted ANYONE for the use of a roger beep. Hams used them before CBers did. So now Hams treat them with disdain because the qrz elitists says so. More than that, I feel they really do have a purpose on SSB communications, because it is easier to identify a completed communication than w/o one.

The qrz humbugs are tearing up their very own @$$ and cannot tell the difference. What a shame!

 

[Sonwatcher]

I think the major practice of Hams tuning up on the same freq a QSO is taking place is far more illegal and obnoxious than someone using a roger beep correctly. You can hear that happening anytime of the day on any band. The problem is you can't focus blame of that practice on the newbies.

 

[n8fgb]

"Hams used them before CBers did." You have been licensed since December, but you are an authortity on amateur radio history.

 

[mackmobile43]

"Hams used them before CBers did." You have been licensed since December, but you are an authortity on amateur radio history.

WHO CARES ?

 

[Robb]

"Hams used them before CBers did." You have been licensed since December, but you are an authortity on amateur radio history.

I never said I was an authority on Ham history. You did. I know what I see and hear and read. Is it enough to realize what's happening? Maybe. I brought up facts - regardless how the chips fall.

So what if I became a Ham in Dec?

 

[Moleculo]

Completely blown out and overdriven audio with guys telling each other it sounds good.

People talking about porn, rape, drugs, very high class group.

Is it the whole band? No, not at all, luckily the groups tend to stick to themselves so they don't sound so foolish. Is it quite prevalent, common? Yes.

As long as they don't interfere with normal people, I don't have much of an issue with it myself. The shame of it is, when people interject and try to educate them, they are simply too dumb to understand and react with the predictable low IQ response...anger.

Profanity and other toilet talk doesn't belong on the amateur bands though. Stupid you can't fix, but that you can. That's mostly where I draw the line.

OK, I have to admit...sometimes (when I know the OP) when someone asks for some feedback about their audio quality, it's just plain funny to get them to adjust it until the whole thing is trashed and tell them it sounds good, until someone finally comes along and tells them that everyone else is just having fun with them

I have mixed feelings about the profanity and topic thing. Ham radio isn't supposed to be any different than a conversation that you might have with a friend or coworker in the normal course of your day. Guess what: normal people talk about durgs, sex, current events, rape, sex, etc. They also curse and swear sometimes / often. Most ham ops are adults and sometimes you will hear adult topics and adult language. I don't really have a problem with that. The neat thing about ham radio is that it is made up of a lot of little "communities". If you don't like the community that hangs out on the 147.435 repeater in L.A., then you can go find another "community" that is less controversial. Is the maritime net on 14.3 a little too dry for you? Go find a group on 75m that talks about something more your style.

The courts in this country have defined "obscenity" as a standard that is set by the community. Apply that to ham radio and you'll find that if one particular "community" is obscene by your standards, you can easily another that is not. To me, this is one of the neat things about amateur radio: it's like a microcosm of the real world. This is also why the FCC contintues to allow certain behavior and speech on the air. The 147.435 L.A. crowd is living proof of this, as they have fought this issue repeatedly and won. I don't find enough time in my busy schedule to gripe and wine about the things I don't agree with on the air, although I will take time to try and help someone out who is just plain being a lousy op.

Anyway...interesting topic.