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Any FCC busts for DXing?

My dTB tuned CRE-8900/RoadDevil sounds really good over KFC's sound system as I sat at the window and keyed up to tell a fellow cb'r to wait one. I couldn't believe it was so loud and clear. I then keyed up again and mentioned something about Burger Queen(Cheece and Chong). Now I know how good my rig sounds and maybe will play a little prank on those KFC employees. :O





Maybe you did bleed on those cop's radios after all
 
My dTB tuned CRE-8900/RoadDevil sounds really good over KFC's sound system as I sat at the window and keyed up to tell a fellow cb'r to wait one. I couldn't believe it was so loud and clear. I then keyed up again and mentioned something about Burger Queen(Cheece and Chong). Now I know how good my rig sounds and maybe will play a little prank on those KFC employees. :O





Maybe you did bleed on those cop's radios after all

You were bleeding through a poorly shielded speaker, not KFC's radio frequency. That is very common, computer speakers, PA systems, stereo speakers, tv sets, copper home phone lines and so on.

I know a local officer that ran a Texas Star 667 with an orange display 2950 through a wilson mag mount on the roof. He said it did not cause a problem with the police computer, radio, or car stereo.
 
People say "Nehhh the FCC don't give a rip about the CB band". Yeah they do too! Probably not as much like back in the 70's. It only takes 30 watts to get a big fine. Not a good idea to key up near a cop car,police station,fire department,hospital. I was talking to a guy at the CB Shop a few months ago and he said he was here in Savannah(where I live). He keyed up that 5 pill in town to talk to ModSquad in Hawaii. Haha he said 5 cop cars surrounded him for bleeding on their radio.

Its not the CB band they care about, its all the other bands that CB operators splatter into.
Name me one instance in the last 10 years where the FCC busted someone because they felt like enforcing the rules of the citizens band service. I have found none, absolutely no enforcement action that was not a direct result of out of band interference. The same goes for the 11 meter "freeband" from 27415 to 28000 and most of whats from 25000 to 26965 with a few frequencies to beware of
 
BACKGROUND

2. On March 19, 2010, agents from the Enforcement Bureau's San Francisco
Office ("San Francisco Office") responded to a complaint regarding
radio frequency interference within the radio communication system
equipment of the Merced County Fire Department. The agents observed
that transmissions on CB radio station frequency 27.165 MHz appeared
to match the audio distortion received on frequency 154.4 MHz within
the Merced County Fire Department's audio receiver and speaker system
in what appeared to be audio rectification interference within the
department's receiver and speaker system. The agents then monitored
the radio transmissions on frequency 27.165 MHz and used radio
direction finding techniques to locate the source of the signal
associated with the interference to a CB radio station operating from
Jones's residence in Merced, California.

3. On March 26, 2010, agents from the San Francisco Office again
monitored frequency 27.165 MHz and used radio direction finding
techniques to locate the source of the signal creating the audio
rectification interference to a CB radio station operating from
Jones's residence in Merced, California. Later the same day, the
agents approached Jones's residence, knocked on his door, identified
themselves as agents of the FCC and presented their official badges
and credentials. The individual identified himself as Jones. The
agents told Jones about the radio frequency interference complaint
from the nearby Merced County Fire Department and asked him if he was
the owner or operator of the CB radio station. Jones acknowledged that
he was the operator of the CB radio station but denied causing any
interference to the Merced County Fire Department. The agents then
requested that they be allowed to inspect the CB radio station to
determine the cause of the interference. Jones denied the agents'
request to inspect the CB radio station. The agents warned Jones that
refusing to allow an inspection of a CB radio station is a violation
of section 95.426(a) of the Rules and section 303(n) of the Act,
explaining that these rules require CB operators to make their
stations available to authorized FCC representatives for inspection.
Jones again denied the request and asserted that the FCC must have a
search warrant to inspect his CB station. The agents advised Jones
that he was required to take necessary precautions to avoid causing
radio interference by operating at power levels that do not exceed
legal limits and by refraining from using a radio frequency power
amplifier.

4. Prior to leaving the premises, the agents issued an on-scene "Notice
of Unlicensed Operation" ("First Notice") to Jones. The First Notice
expressly warned that Jones's refusal to allow inspection of his radio
equipment violated section 303(n) of the Act and included the full
text of section 303(n). Jones refused to accept a copy of the First
Notice and the agents left the document on a chair near the front door
of the house. The agents then left the premises, but continued to
monitor 27.165 MHz and heard Jones describe the agents' attempted
inspection. Later on March 26, 2010, the agents again monitored
frequency 27.165 MHz and noted that Jones was operating his CB radio
station without causing interference to the Merced County Fire
Department radio communication equipment. Subsequently, the Merced
County Fire Department reported that the interference ceased.

5. On August 25, 2010, the San Francisco Office received another
complaint from the Merced County Fire Department that the interference
to its radio communication equipment had resumed over the prior two
weeks and appeared to again be caused by a CB radio station operated
by Jones. According to the complainant, the interference lasted from
10 minutes to 45 minutes at a time and Jones's CB radio station could
be clearly heard on the radio communication equipment at the Merced
County fire station during these times.

6. On August 27, 2010, agents from the San Francisco Office again
monitored frequency 27.165 MHz and used radio direction finding
techniques to locate the source of the interfering signal to a CB
radio station operating from Jones's residence in Merced, California.
Later the same day, the agents, along with two Merced City police
officers, approached Jones at his front yard, identified themselves as
agents of the FCC and presented their official badges and credentials.
The two Merced City police officers identified the man as Jones. The
agents told Jones about the radio frequency interference complaint and
requested that they be allowed to inspect the CB radio station to
determine the cause of the interference. Jones denied the request.
Jones again admitted that he was the owner and operator of the CB
radio station, but stated that he was not the owner of the house and
that he had to refuse the inspection. Jones understood that refusal to
allow an inspection could result in a $7,000 forfeiture assessment.
After further conversation with the agents and the police officers,
Jones subsequently admitted to being the owner of the house. The
agents again requested that they be allowed to inspect the CB radio
station and reiterated that Jones's refusal to allow an inspection of
a CB radio station is a violation of section 95.426(a) of the Rules
and section 303(n) of the Act and is subject to a forfeiture. Jones
again denied the request to inspect his CB station. The agents then
gave Jones an oral warning and issued a second on-scene "Notice of
Unlicensed Operation" ("Second Notice") to Jones. The Second Notice
expressly warned that Jones's refusal to allow inspection of his radio
equipment violated section 303(n) of the Act and included the full
text of section 303(n). Jones refused to accept a copy of the Second
Notice and the agents left the document on a wooden yard border. The
agents then left the premises.

7. On September 1, 2010, the San Francisco Office received another
complaint from the Merced County Fire Department stating that Jones
had resumed CB radio station operation at approximately 5:30 p.m., and
interference within the Merced County Fire Department radio
communication system equipment had also resumed.

================================================== =======

In March of 2011, The FCC issued a NAL to Ira Jones ( one year after enforcement started, (almost 2 years after the first complaint from the fire department) in the Amount of $7000.00.
They have Yet to collect, nor have they inspected his station, nor have they removed him or his equipment from the Air.
I live Near Merced, and Mr Jones ( CB Handle Falcon) is still on the air, almost every day with a local signal of 20 over S-9, It is easy to find him on 27.165 as you drive through Merced.
He is very proud of the fact that he told the "Fed`s To F Off" when they wanted to inspect his station and lets everyone in the local community know that they have not, and will not remove him from the air.
Granted, given enough time this "might" get settled, But a friend that is involved with the fire department has told me that they plan up-grade there radio equipment at the station at cost to the city to resolve the issue.

Now, if this is the level of enforcement that is going on over A Known rouge operator, that the FCC has documented proof of interference to Emergency Services ( Fire and Rescue in the City of Merced) whats makes anyone think that they will use resources to go hunt down random guys that are just running 100 watts or so on 27 MHz or someone acting like a drunken ass on the air.
It is about money, and the government is strapped for cash....the most pressing thing on the FCC`s mind is selling spectrum to entity's for the all mighty dollar.
CB and Ham radio has become a burden to the FCC, that they do not have time for.
Why do you think the amateur community has been turned over to "self policing" ?

73
Jeff

I have to ask, where are the technically inclined people on the FCC staff? They have the time to make 4 visits to this guys house but no one has the sense to stop at Radio Shack and buy $2 worth of .01 caps and a ferrite core for the fire department? How hard is it to take 154.4 and divide by 27.165 to determine there is absolutely no harmonic relationship between these two frequencies and it must be direct RFI?

There is no logical reason for the FM receiver to be demodulating the AM signal based on spectral purity. All AM content is removed before driving the FM detector. The front end on a commercial FM 2-Way is highly selective with several poles of bandpass filtering. FCC field inspection staff should have the skills to solve simple problems as well as handling enforcement issues. Years ago they did but now they have all been replaced by stuffed suits.

How much do you want a bet the fire department has tagged multiple external speakers on to the 2-Way receiver? Some of which probably have wires that are long enough to suck up plenty of HF RF energy. None of which will be properly bypassed or shielded even though this is a priority first responder system. As soon as the PL opens the squelch on the FM receiver, the AM RF is being rectified inside the audio amp driving the speakers. I'd put money on the probability that I could replace Falcon's CB setup with a legal FCC certified 10 meter station and replicate the same problem.

Unfortunately the result of this is thousands of tax dollars were wasted on FCC man hours over the course of months. The fire department suffers with totally unacceptable interference for over a year. The tax payers of Merced will probably spend about 50 grand on a new 2-Way system for the FD by the time Motorola sales gets them through the ringer. It could get much more costly if the terrain is rugged and the new frequency requires multiple repeaters to serve the coverage area. Often only revealed once you're already in too deep and can't go back.
 
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$18,000 fine in Pittsburg, Pa for a CBer who would not allow the FCC to inspect the station.
They are getting tougher lately because of all the dis-reguard for the law.
Good luck.
 
FCC field investigators are basically law enforcement types. Almost none of them have anything but the most rudimentary knowledge of electronics. Of the 5 I have cross-examined, only 1 had an amateur license and even he didn't think he was competent to modify his ICOM to work out of band. He had to ask a friend to do it for him. The others wouldn't know the difference between an amateur radio, a cb radio and a marine radio. I doubt they could even take the back off the radios. The tech people who know something about electronics don't usually work the field. The provided written instruction to the field guys who carry out the dirty work.


I have to ask, where are the technically inclined people on the FCC staff? They have the time to make 4 visits to this guys house but no one has the sense to stop at Radio Shack and buy $2 worth of .01 caps and a ferrite core for the fire department? How hard is it to take 154.4 and divide by 27.165 to determine there is absolutely no harmonic relationship between these two frequencies and it must be direct RFI?

There is no logical reason for the FM receiver to be demodulating the AM signal based on spectral purity. All AM content is removed before driving the FM detector. The front end on a commercial FM 2-Way is highly selective with several poles of bandpass filtering. FCC field inspection staff should have the skills to solve simple problems as well as handling enforcement issues. Years ago they did but now they have all been replaced by stuffed suits.

How much do you want a bet the fire department has tagged multiple external speakers on to the 2-Way receiver? Some of which probably have wires that are long enough to suck up plenty of HF RF energy. None of which will be properly bypassed or shielded even though this is a priority first responder system. As soon as the PL opens the squelch on the FM receiver, the AM RF is being rectified inside the audio amp driving the speakers. I'd put money on the probability that I could replace Falcon's CB setup with a legal FCC certified 10 meter station and replicate the same problem.

Unfortunately the result of this is thousands of tax dollars were wasted on FCC man hours over the course of months. The fire department suffers with totally unacceptable interference for over a year. The tax payers of Merced will probably spend about 50 grand on a new 2-Way system for the FD by the time Motorola sales gets them through the ringer. It could get much more costly if the terrain is rugged and the new frequency requires multiple repeaters to serve the coverage area. Often only revealed once you're already in too deep and can't go back.
 
They do not even understand the rules that they write, or even why they are written....BPL is a prime example of a failure to enforce rules that protect other radio services, while bowing to the almighty $$.

73
Jeff
 
fcc don't give two shits about cb radio anymore. where you been? if it don't generated any revenue it has no value to the fcc. fcc only get involve when is a radio interference complaint and only would send the offending station some kind of notice thru the mail usually this is all that would take as far as fcc involving is concern. you think those lemmings on the superbowl would get busted by now? and they only talk local short skip with lots of power and they been at this garbage for years. so to answer your question no! the fcc fogives your skip shooting bad behavior..
 
fcc only get involve when is a radio interference complaint and only would send the offending station some kind of notice thru the mail usually this is all that would take as far as fcc involving is concern
And how do they even know where to send a notice? They either had to send out a car to spot your antenna, and that only after triangulation from other stations, your neighbor snitched on you, or your such an idiot you been broadcasting your street address and zip code over the air.
 
And how do they even know where to send a notice? They either had to send out a car to spot your antenna, and that only after triangulation from other stations, your neighbor snitched on you, or your such an idiot you been broadcasting your street address and zip code over the air.

hey shockwave word on the streets is big boss got busted by the local pd again.
 
fcc don't give two shits about cb radio anymore. where you been? if it don't generated any revenue it has no value to the fcc. fcc only get involve when is a radio interference complaint and only would send the offending station some kind of notice thru the mail usually this is all that would take as far as fcc involving is concern. you think those lemmings on the superbowl would get busted by now? and they only talk local short skip with lots of power and they been at this garbage for years. so to answer your question no! the fcc fogives your skip shooting bad behavior..

And how do they even know where to send a notice? They either had to send out a car to spot your antenna, and that only after triangulation from other stations, your neighbor snitched on you, or your such an idiot you been broadcasting your street address and zip code over the air.

Oh; they care all right. Don't kid yourself - or anyone else. They respond to complaints. If you don't cause a complaint; then you obviously stand a better chance. Run a station that is dirty and bleeding over into the ambulance, fire, or police dept freqs; then you will find them on your doorstep really quickly - demanding entry to examine your station. Even any of your neighbors can call in directly and report you to the nearest FCC field office. It is better to stay in good standing with your neighbors than to have a feud over your improper radio use and end up with the FCC staring you in the face.

The equipment they have to track any signal is state-of-the-art gear that not only finds your exact location, but it tells them exactly how much power you are using and all of the spurious freq's you are also TXing on. Records your transmissions at the same time they are taking these readings. Evidence. A heck of way to find all of this out; eh? They may warn you just once; but after that 'forgetaboutit'. They log you in to their database, print up the complaint, and bring it to court before they send you the notice to appear. You are then filleted and bbq'd. You end up selling your equipment and still are at a loss for the rest of the penalty assessed against you.

Just keep on thinking that they don't do anything anymore or listen to complaints. Or that they lack the gear and the motivation to do their job. Their history of going after businesses and private individuals can be found online at the FCC website; if you need a second opinion for your own proof.

As far as DX goes, so long as you keep it really clean in an urban environment and run a beam antenna you can still get DX and not get noticed. Consider using no more than 100w, a low pass filter, and a clean output radio if you want to keep off of their radar. But that is no real guarantee - either . . .
 
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I'm going to lean towards "they don't care". Since the first day of getting back on the air, I have heard the same morons every night about 8 or 9 pm broadcasting nationwide, talking trash, giving their location, more or less, rambling on and in general making it impossible for anyone else to talk at all. I'm also kind of skeptical about all this tracking equipment. If they have it, they aren't using it.
 
To anyone's knowledge, has anyone anywhere ever been busted for talking more than 150 miles / 250 km on a CB?

I'm not asking for hypotheticals here, or about using the range limit for a "pile it on charge" for a guy who's already breaking other laws. I'm asking if the FCC ever goes (or has gone after) some guy who's harmlessly working a little skip. Or is this something like a jaywalking law that hasn't been enforced in decades?

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