Be aware: Ruskie cyber attacks

[Robb]

So that's why I don't see my comrades here. lol

Oh; they are here all right. The US Gov't stated last year that there are more Russian agents in the country than any time at the height of the Cold War. Lousy commie b******s; should surprise them all and collect them all at once and send them back home w/o packing first.

 

[Shadetree Mechanic]

Yeah we used to take a hard line against communism. Now we want to trade with them and build factories there. (China) and the Cuban embargo is unfair and unjust. Walmart took a stand against child labor, but political prosecution and having political prisoners is ok? What do we stand for as a country now. We give it all away and we are a joke.
(Rant over)

 

[Robb]

Yeah we used to take a hard line against communism. Now we want to trade with them and build factories there. (China) and the Cuban embargo is unfair and unjust. Walmart took a stand against child labor, but political prosecution and having political prisoners is ok? What do we stand for as a country now. We give it all away and we are a joke.
(Rant over)

Yeah we hoped and expected them to be trading partners. But what we got was crap instead.

Crap from N Korea (for which they are almost entirely responsible for). Crap from Iran for supporting their gov't against ours (in truth, they were behind their Islamic 'revolution'), supplying them with weapons and other elements that will give them the bomb.

Putin - in or out of office - runs the Russian country with the old guard KGB oligarchs (read - 'cronyists') that still hold absolute power and a hard line against the US - for no other purpose that supports 'BRICS' (alliance of Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa currency to produce an alternative trading currency and push the dollar out.). Net effect? Mass hyperinflation and the destruction of western economies. Welcome to the age of new communist ideals.

Knew about that one? An alternative world money system not based upon trading US dollars. Look it up and then be aware. SO all of the leftist political supporters in this country have been unwittingly/wittingly party to the efforts of a foreign power for the demise of the US dollar. Despite their thinking that it is for social change. It isn't. It is still about money and nothing more. The leftists are just helping the Cronyists take down the West. They may not think so; but that is where it leads. The Cronyists could give a damn about our social interests; they just want to see a weakened country thru dividing its people. Pawns being played and then destroyed too.

Seditious acts and conspiracy of the same bring about a rather stiff penalty under the law. Kicking them all out would be merciful.

 

[psycho]

I can't even count the number of member registrations that come in from Russia, Ukraine and Moldova. I just delete them.

Maybe I ought to cancel my Russian bride purchase.

 

[AK #5]

NPR is about as credible as Snopes....but I got a good laugh out of it.

 

[Robb]

NPR is about as credible as Snopes....but I got a good laugh out of it.

OK, that is fine. Then if you don't mind watching snippet of this video and you can hear the same thing out of their own mouths and you can look them in the eye when they say it. Would you be satisfied with that?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nsa-chief-trump-directed-counter-russian-meddling/story?id=53393061

 

[psycho]

The world is maybe not laughing at the US but they must be in complete disbelief at how dysfunctional our government has become. The NSA, CIA, FBI, and DHS know Russia meddled in the 2016 election but the President refuses to believe it for whatever reason.

 

[Robb]

Oh, I'm sure that he knows it all right. There are always protocols in place when an investigation is under way. The potus must specifically be kept out of the loop here if he is a named character in the investigation in order to keep propriety in place w/o favoritism with the investigator's findings. That is just the way that works. Otherwise, it would turn into a situation of the fox investigating the chicken coop, if ya get my drift.

You can bet your bottom dollar that if Hilary was elected instead of Trump, that there would be the same scandal going on in the other direction. The Russians already had a game set for her too. Had nothing to do with who won; just raised scandals either way by implications made by the Russian agents suits their purpose. Basic spy games 101: besmirch character by a contrived scenario of their own making to the appropriate end game. That is the whole point of this Russian intervention in the elections: to create doubts and suspicion in order to bring down the gov't thru their game of smoke and mirrors.

The Russians just haven't targeted the election of the potus; but the intelligence agencies and even many other gov't agencies as well.

LCB ('lousy commie b******s')

 

[AK #5]

What you have to ask yourself, is how many elections has the US meddled in over the last 70 years? Maybe you all should spend some time actually researching, instead of putting all your beliefs in the mainstream media, because they all follow the Pentagon script. But you don't have to take my word for it, there's more than enough information out there to prove it beyond a doubt.

Go have a look at the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto, and see for yourself that the US is more communist than Karl Marx could ever have dreamed of.

http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/tenplanks.html

But most people choose to live in the false reality that's been created for them...and that's their choice.

 

[Captain Kilowatt]

What you have to ask yourself, is how many elections has the US meddled in over the last 70 years? Maybe you all should spend some time actually researching, instead of putting all your beliefs in the mainstream media, because they all follow the Pentagon script. But you don't have to take my word for it, there's more than enough information out there to prove it beyond a doubt.

Go have a look at the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto, and see for yourself that the US is more communist than Karl Marx could ever have dreamed of.

http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/tenplanks.html

But most people choose to live in the false reality that's been created for them...and that's their choice.

Forget meddling in elections. The US has blatantly and covertly overthrow
foreign governments and instilled their own leader in the past. Look no further than the former shah of Iran and look how that turned out for ya.

 

[AK #5]

Lest we forget the overthrow of Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in 1953. Or how about Muammar Gaddafi, if you want to get into recent history.

The list is endless.

But the government and media has everyone worried about Russkies messing in our elections.

Believe me, I'm well aware of the American Empire hypocrisy.

 

[Robb]

What you forgot to ask yourself is why did the US intervene in foreign gov'ts? The answer is quite simple and often overlooked or minimized by their press to the 'masses'. Quite simply, it has always been communist infiltration and subversion by their agents. This has been their calling card since they began well over 100 years ago.

Using the Russian revolution as a model, the motto of the seminal Soviets was to 'to take over this country we must do it by taking over one railway station at a time, one telephone switchboard at a time, and then one town at a time.' So you can see that the earmarks of their methodology has never changed. In fact no communist held power in Europe before the September revolution even though Europe was rife with their agents. Subversion was everywhere, and the common people of Europe had become fed up with it.

Although Reagan kicked in their house of cards eventually, the old guard clung to their decades of hatred and methodology to rebuild their country in what we see there today. Even Communist China had to abandon their Marxist dogma because they were starving themselves out of existence. Even Stalin's attempt to persuade his people into the pure communist mindset failed when he eventually became responsible for more murder than any single man in the history of this world - to date - killing more than 25 million people that we know of. They failed to take into account the human state. This is their legacy. Small wonder we stomped them every time they reared their ugly heads.

The Iran/Mossadegh situation was - once again - because of the Soviet intervention into the oil business. They wanted to keep us out of their part of the world, and to deny they West (not just the US) oil products. SO they cooked up as yet - you guessed it - another revolution. This time under the guise of Islam. Yes, even the Iranian revolution was fostered and tendered by those lovable little Red b******s.. Of course, we accepted the blame rather than to give the Soviets their due for their success.

Or perhaps Vietnam? They were willing to spend all of the blood of those people for their empty idealism, just like Joe Stalin did. His legacy is one of deception, subversion, and of course - murder and death. Still lives on despite its failure as a system of gov't. Power through the mechanism of fear; by committee ideals.

 

[AK #5]

Yes, well, communist infiltration and subversion by their agents certainly does not justify the US infiltrating other sovereign nations' governments. That would only be justified if there was infiltration and subversion on US soil. The Constitution clearly states and outlines the limits of the government, and this would qualify as violating it.

 

[Robb]

Quite simple, really. They put their agents in a country - say Nicaragua for example - long enough to become established citizens and to create a voice of communist persuasion and influence. They Soviets pour in money and arms and create a rebel army. Along they way they blackmail, extort, and cajole key individuals to their way of thinking.

Of course there is backlash from citizens that do not agree and see trouble coming. They get murdered or their reputation is destroyed until the people see this enough to want it to stop. American businesses that are in the country also complain. The citizens of this country invite help from the US, and the fur begins to fly. Many people get killed that didn't care either way along with those who were involved. The US gets blamed - of course - for interfering with the communists desire to pull yet another country away from a democracy based republic.

In addition, they Soviets had done this thing to every country in the world. That is, putting agents in to a country to subvert it.

Since the nature of the Soviet action was covert, the US has to deal with in like kind, since as you said we do not have the same policy of communist aggression and influence. The only problem with this scenario is that the Soviets didn't always use their usual method. Take Afghanistan for example. Nobody Afghani there wanted them there at all; but the Soviets didn't care and decided to take it anyway.

No you are right I guess. The US doesn't have such a policy. But should it? I thinks so. Guess that is the difference between us and them.
LCB

 

[AK #5]

Oh, they DO have such aggression policies, and have for many decades, but instead of calling it communist, we use a more user friendly term..."liberation" or "spreading democracy"

But really, how seriously can you take a country whose government doesn't follow it's own rule of law?

And no, we're far from being the only ones that do it.

IMO, it makes them no better than the Soviets, or any other communist country, for that matter.

History has proven over and over again, that ALL empires fall, and we will, too. It's just a matter of when.