I tend to agree with you on that one Ped ......so I guess the bottom line here is this ,if one is happy with the work that a so called "tech" does for them ,that's all that really matters ,is what IM gathering here ? IM sure even folks that have done business with the folks on the "bad list" were even happy campers even if the work wasn't done as good as it could have been done by somebody else according to "whom" Hmmm ? Electrical tape or heat shrink ? I suppose both work but which one looks more prettier ? even seen some sloppy soldering in my time ,but it worked all the same. So as far as this business goes and what "others " do to our radios and without really having the knowledge of what is good or bad ? as long as it works and works good enough for the operator ,that's all that really seems to matter in the end. So just maybe ,in many cases ,there really isn't much differance between a "Hack" and a "Tech" ? I would think most would fly there certificates and diplomas proudly ,but like I said ,over the years I think I saw one on the wall of one shop and it said something about being a graduate of Devry ....I suppose that beats a sharp stick in the eye ?. I've seen that list many times before NS )-: ......the way I look at that is this .....if one likes to point the finger at somebody else ? little do they know that they have 3 more pointing right back at themselves.Most what is done to these radios is an illegal act ....so I guess one can be better then the other at breaking the law ? ...back to my question ...what then is the differance between a "tech" and a "Hack" ? maybe it's just that one understands what's really going on more so then the other ? or maybe there two of the same to a degree ? ......one things for sure ,IM not one to have a full understanding of all of this (I know only a little,because there's just to much to know in the first place) but I can truly appreciate a good talking and receiving radio all the same no matter who did the work. (-: .......and thanks to the Internet and Forums alike ,even the quacks of the world can be praised......I guess it just needs to be a Hands on type situation and what one has experianced with his or her radio person ?(Notice I said "Radio Person") Auh yes !! You can please some of the people some of the time but you can not please all the people all the time. Different strokes for different folks ........Can't we all just get along ? (-: Damn it !! if he didn't cut that diode all over again. .......OH YEAH !!! Has anyone ever known a woman to do this kind of work ? Just was curious. SK OUT !!