its not exactly about doing dx as it is getting to use the older 23 channel rigs, there are a few around my area that break out their old rigs and ragchew some but when it is packed with the mexican amers we cant hear each other much less any one in dx land,,, other parts of the usa gets skip from the west coast here in florida our west is mexico.....i have a hygain 5 that i like to use,also a tram diamond 60,,and wish i could get my tram d201 going straight.........fellow east of me here uses a browning eagle,,, i reckon the only time here lately to do any ssb is late at night after skip dies down,,so usually saturday nights we will still be in there just listen for us...........cbt 273 central florida