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Cobra 25 ltd newer version parts help

Pa has the same symptoms low audio just like keying up and trying to talk into the mike.

Like I mentioned I also tried a hand power mike and still low audio.

the schematic you posted has the TA7222ap audio circuit its a bit different than the TDA2003 audio circuit,
 
I will also try the mic gain pot in front tomorrow with fluke meter and see if audio is passing through or just jump it out.
 
Ok, so we replaced...

Audio Chip,
Audio Output cap from audio chip (C57 - c550?),
Input cap C150,
Changed C70,
Receive Good,
Squelch Ok,
PA audio low...

Ok, then we also need to look as less probable, but still likely - that even the Modulation Transformer could have been damaged and has several shorted winds - caused by arcing or heat failure from that "short"...

So tomorrow, look at voltages to the Final and Driver - should be close to supply when unkeyed, but drop about 2 to as much as 3 volts when the radio keys up - that's the power draw thru the winds of the transformer pulling down the voltage. That is a normal result - it takes power so it draws it thru those winds to make the carrier and audio together. IF that doesn't occur or it's a lot less power draw - even a current (Ammeter on the DVM can help here) meter to see if the radio draws current like another radio you know that works. ..

IF the Pre-driver didn't work, I'm looking for ways that it can still provide power to the DRIVER to even make it key up...

Else even the Mic amp - and right now, I'm kinda leaning on that section as possible - for you say you have a great RX - if there were problems on the Modulation Transformer, it would affect the QUALITY of audio for both RX and TX - we only have weak TX - it may even mean we have a weak driver too. Again back to the DVM to probe for voltages...

But this also goes back to the SQUELCH and TR17 - TR17 has to hold up and supply 8 volts to the Pre-driver to make it work. If the regulator diode went bad, that TX voltage would be way way low - like below 6 volts - and that usually indicates a failed regulator or it's support parts - you mentioned TR17 earlier and you replaced or checked parts in it.

Well, the radio still has an RX/TX light - so look for voltages going whacky between keyup and unkeyed. Even if the "red" is actually "Red" and green is actually "green" not yellow...

I would like to think this is a simple fix but you may never know - Captain Obvious may be watching over us right now - laughing...taunting us...

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the schematic you posted has the TA7222ap audio circuit its a bit different than the TDA2003 audio circuit,

Yes, but the functionality of the two radios - 2003 or 7222 chip or something even more exotic - the Mic amp circuit is essentially the same between 25 and 68
 
Andy

Again thanks for all you help and will try some more in the morning and will try to catch up with you then and let you know if i find any thing more obvious .

thanks Bob in Boston MA
 
When you get back to this. Check the Mic GAIN - you can see if it works from the front panel Mic jack.

Locate Pin 1 and 2 and use a DVM to check for resistance.

Mic Gain (Dynamike) all the way up - will show about 2K to 1K resistance BETWEEN Pins 2 and 1 - HAS TO BE PINS 2 and 1 for this check, Case ground is insulated from chassis and power return (Foil board ground) so you would not get proper readings - if any...(near infinite)

Turn Dynamike all the way down - Pin 2 to 1 would show nearly 15~25 ohms (near dead short condition) for the Dynamike control SHUNTS Mic power to ground.

Pin 2 is Mic Audio Pin into the radio - and is controlled by the Dynamike control.

Pin 1 is Shield, Ground for TX switch Pin 3 and Speaker Return Ground Pin 4. Pin 2 is audio in...does not show connection (ohmic resistance) to any other pin except for Pin 1.

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Ok, back to Mic amp - C70 is the "sample cap" that send energy from the Audio and B+ line that goes to Final and Driver - to the Limiter TR14 - So if limiter or any parts on it are not working right, the Limiter may engage all the time. For troubleshooting - remove TR14 unsolder it - does audio return?...if so, the issue is with the limiter circuit.

TR14 is a 2SA733 a PNP

Leave TR14 out for next test...

Locate C94, C90 and C148 - C94 uses Regulated TR17 voltage - via R111 per schematic. So when checking - use a dummy load on the antenna jack and plug in a known good mic into the mic jack and set up DVM to check for voltages on both sides of R111 - one side will have 8V or so DC on TX, but drops on RX - other side of R111 should be about 6V on TX and nearly 0 on RX. TR16 (TX Switch) feeds power to the Mic amp on TX. BUT TR16 TAPS off of TR17 to power itself and send 8V TX power to where it needs to go - including the Pre-driver.

If Mic amp side of R111 stays below 4 volts on TX and R111's other side shows 8V - Mic amp section is in trouble. IF R111 stays at 8V on both sides, possible bad soldering or that TR13 is blown and needs to be replaced - 2SA945 - NPN.

If R111 Mic amp side is too low 4.5V or less, you have shorted parts or bad soldering.

If it goes to zero volts and stays there - pull C94 and re-check - if voltage (6Volts or so) returns - replace C94.

If TX voltage is too low - locate R44 may be labeled as L44 and a molded inductor is mounted there instead - pull R44 (or L44 - as applicable) part and check for voltage again - no change - possible TR17 and support are faulty. Else if voltage returns possible that Pre Driver is bad or area leading to it, including L14 are suspect - pull part and recheck - replace pre-driver if needed..
 
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Just because the radio has good receive audio does not necessarily mean the RX audio path is working perfectly. Keep in mind it only takes less than 1 watt of AF to make the speaker sound loud but it takes several watts of AF to fully modulate the transmitter. For example a Tram D-201 can have a flat 6L6 audio tube and still not show problems on RX but the TX audio will be down. To confirm full output you should use the scope to measure at least 5 volts peak AF into an 8 ohm load under full volume. The audio amp should be able to provide close to half of the total DC voltage applied as peak AF output.
 
Man, I just checked in to the forum here and found this thread. It's like a movie got me all anxious rush reading through the replies to see if gurus have nailed it yet. I'll keep holding on and now I'm going to follow this thread because it's got my full attention! Let the seasoned gurus do what they do best, lots of wisdom in here. I'm rooting for the cobra 25
 
Eldorado I did like that movie with John Wayne and Robert Mitchum great western. Oh the radio it has my attention and Andy and few others are giving me hints and locations where to look. Going back down to my shop and see if I can come up with the fix. I never saw this symptom in all the radios I worked on. It either was a bad audio chip or final but this one 25LTD has me determined to get it right.
Will report back in a few hours. thanks to all for the support
 
Hi welcome back!

Hope you got some sleep...

Please, go over the last post I sent - about the Mic wiring.

Than while you can still do simple checks, got an external speaker? (Well you did check PA I presume you used it) so check receive audio QUALITY thru the external SP jack as well - does the tone change, is there any extra distortion - or does it sound like the internal speaker - not like the PA side of the mic. - then you have fixed the audio chip side, but the low power as well as low audio - may be from what we talked about earlier.

Final, Driver and Pre-amp are one issue...

Mic amp and mic gain (Dynamike) are another - so do that Pin 1 to 2 resistance check on the Mic Jack on the radio. Turn the Dynamike control too - for if the short got into the radio - it starts here and the next parts in line are TR 14 too - so again review the previous posts and look at TR14 and Dynamike for now...

Then check PA again. Get it to work right then we'll check the Final and Driver
 
Well, everyone else was rocking and watching the show away at the theatre -

Man, I just checked in to the forum here and found this thread. It's like a movie got me all anxious rush reading through the replies to see if gurus have nailed it yet. I'll keep holding on and now I'm going to follow this thread because it's got my full attention! Let the seasoned gurus do what they do best, lots of wisdom in here. I'm rooting for the cobra 25

Thanks to you for stopping by..
 
Here is an update> good news it was transistor Q14 I think I check almost everything after that and all the areas that Andy suggested.

****So the history of the radio was customer brought radio in and said did not work he shorted something out playing golden screwdriver. Radio did not light up so I checked a few things and the
protect diode was shorted replaced
No output replaced final now output
Modulation was very low and no pa working>checked many parts and the parts Andy suggested and up until last night no luck> went down this morning and started in checking things again and I removed Q14 as Andy suggested and now 100% modulation.

This is for the newer 25LTD with the TDA2003 audio chip.

Again Andy and all thanks so much for the help in solving the audio problem.
Was ready to tell customer it not worth fixing as too much time as of yesterday but an hour into the radio today It is fixed.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL
 
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