Ah! You want it for 11M? You'll want it vertical then, so you can work the locals. Random wire? Make it about at least 18 feet long. If it's horizontal, all you'll work is DX. The feeder is important. How will you feed it?Thanks. Reason why is that I'm not going to unfurl my vector 4000 til after I move but want something more than a K40 antenna on the roof. :O