Ok. I think i have this right. Trying to use the nv4k on 20 meter would be no better than using the imax or the gpe27 on 20 meter. No amount of sorcery or witchcraft will make "cb" antennas work well on 20 meters. So my very first question about the nv4k has been answered. Thank you. This forum has excellent information and very good advice. Unfortunately this thread went off topic from my original query and i have myself to blame for that. w9cll please accept my opology for the confusion. steve 73