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question about the FCC's description of a "cb transmitter"
- Thread starter loosecannon
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QTH?
How about something official?
Otherwise, it looks like a couple of rogue operators writing letters, such as those letters "from Christopher J. Wright, FCC-OGC to John F. Atwood, US Customs Service, dated May 17, 1999."
Is this list signed into some official doctrine or other law?
How about something official?
Otherwise, it looks like a couple of rogue operators writing letters, such as those letters "from Christopher J. Wright, FCC-OGC to John F. Atwood, US Customs Service, dated May 17, 1999."
Is this list signed into some official doctrine or other law?
Who cares where the list comes from. Now CW is providing you with what you asked for.
The question remains as always who cares? hardly anyone. The Fcc lost the Battle a long time ago. With only about %20 of incoming overseas freight being inspected that leaves a-lot of uninspected shipping containers. Now think? do you really believe that customs and the port auth really are looking for Export type radios? If they findd one Good They will distroy the contents or a croocked inspector will pocket some cash to look the other way. Notice a slow down of Export type reaios? I have noticed no slow down I have even seen a few new modles. So now make your own decision about the so called FCC list of non type accepted radios. Who will enforce it? Minimul enforcement yep that is the wave of the future with federal jobs being lost across the board. Good luck enforcing a almost unenforceable edict.73's
The question remains as always who cares? hardly anyone. The Fcc lost the Battle a long time ago. With only about %20 of incoming overseas freight being inspected that leaves a-lot of uninspected shipping containers. Now think? do you really believe that customs and the port auth really are looking for Export type radios? If they findd one Good They will distroy the contents or a croocked inspector will pocket some cash to look the other way. Notice a slow down of Export type reaios? I have noticed no slow down I have even seen a few new modles. So now make your own decision about the so called FCC list of non type accepted radios. Who will enforce it? Minimul enforcement yep that is the wave of the future with federal jobs being lost across the board. Good luck enforcing a almost unenforceable edict.73's
The list does not look official to me.
The folks who really care are the small time dealers that are getting busted for marketing these radios.
I cannot comment on the impact since I do not have sales numbers, but I'm sure that even if the port authority did look one of these "export" radios square on the knobs, they wouldn't have a clue as to what they was looking at. I'm sure they don't have the "list"
The folks who really care are the small time dealers that are getting busted for marketing these radios.
I cannot comment on the impact since I do not have sales numbers, but I'm sure that even if the port authority did look one of these "export" radios square on the knobs, they wouldn't have a clue as to what they was looking at. I'm sure they don't have the "list"
I am sure they do have a list of some kind. Now how high a priority it has has yet to be seen. Also if the port auth caught all thise nasty little export radios what would CW have to complain about And what would the special council do ? Also did you notice the list is missing all the Kenwood,Icom,Yaesu,ect radios that can be modded for cb. Tisk Tisk Just a little oversite. Ha HA HA. 73's
yes, but according to CW? they are not factory programmed with CB channels (as channelized) after mod.
Meaning that radios such as the Lincoln/HR2510 would not be on the list of the up/down channel buttons were not there and you had to use the VFO tuning instead.
Meaning that radios such as the Lincoln/HR2510 would not be on the list of the up/down channel buttons were not there and you had to use the VFO tuning instead.
This list is not according to CW Morse. It comes from FCC's Office of Technology Division. The difference is, the so-called "10 Meter" radios are listed SPECIFICALLY BY NAME AS BEING NOT AUTHORIZED FOR SALE IN THE USA. Period! Just like an automobile can be modified to do things it is not supposed to, even Amateur radios can be made to do things they are not permitted by law to do. So WHY do they target these specific radios by name? Set a typical "10 Meter" radio on the table. Then a typical Amateur radio beside it. Which one LOOKS like a CB radio? Which one has
CHANNELS? Which one has "bands" of said "channels" to cover ONE band? Which one continuously tunes (VFO) thru out a band, including 10 Meters, with-OUT "channels"? (Do not confuse, or try to equate "channels" with "memories": Channels are preset. Memories are chosen by the amateur operator be set for quick recall.) Which one (not all of them do, however) has ECHO and "ROGER BEEP"? Which one is SOLD in truck stops and CB SHOPS? How many of them get modified for CB, or "opened up" so the perpetrator (illegal operator) can have all those "extra" channels they are have no business ON, particularly the 10 Meter and 12 Meter bands? What is another reason Kenwood, Icom, and Yaesu are not on the FCC's list? Actually there is more than one. One reason is so that manufacturers can reduce the COST of producing specific radios for amateur, commercial, and marine and can use the same board to essentially be sold to ALL those services and keep it reasonable for all services to buy them. They are NOT going to punish the legal operators with the outlaws! WHY would it be FAIR to cater to ONE group (the outlaw CB crowd) by placing ANY radio that could be modified on the list thus penalizing the majority of hams and commercial entities that 99% of the time OBEY the law? The MAJORITY of incursions into other bands and frequencies around 27 MHZ come from outlaw CB operators and those who believe they have some "right" to operate on any frequency regardless of the law, OR they don't know, or WANT to know, that there is NO such thing as a "freeband" or vacant "channels" that it is OK to filch. This what the illegal radios facilitate and is the source of the deep resentment from amateurs towards the people AND the so-called "10 Meter radios" that are found ON their band(s). Sure, a few hams violate the law, act up, ignore regulations, but in comparison they are a small minority. These get caught pretty quickly because their fellow operators won't put up with such crap and will drop a dime on them quickly! It's what keeps the amateur bands reasonably free of junk.
We could argue about so-called "10 Meter" radios (that are actually glorified CB radios that are designed to skirt the law to start with) until the cows come home. These radios are ON the FCC's "list", they will STAY on that list, they are listed BY NAME as being against the law to market in the United States, and if you DO get caught using one of them (as some people have), either ON the 10 Meter band without license, OR on the CB band, you are opening yourself up to an $18,000 fine, an amount that just went UP from $10,000 just this summer. Amateur radios are NOT going to be on that list, and we can argue and gripe about how "unfair" it is, again, until those same cows are in the same barn. And that's just the way it is. *I* didn't make it so, CW Morse has nothing to do with it. CWM has no power to do doodly squat about it, tho I totally agree with the ban. Those who HAVE these illegal radios, so long as they stay OFF the ham bands, THIS operator ain't gonna worry about that. Unlicensed operators WILL have something to worry about when they show up ON 10 or 12 Meters around these parts
After looking at the "Official List" of banned radios, I noticed that there are a LOT of early model export rigs that weren't included. I own 3 of them myself. I won't mention their names, 'cause someone might tell the FCC. Anyway, they're legal here. .
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The FCC list is difficult to locate on their website, but it IS there. I will obtain it shortly. Basically, a radio does not have to appear on a list to be illegal. A CB radio, according to law, must have 40 channels and 4 watts AND have an FCC certification sticker somewhere on the radio. It is also recorded in FCC files. IF a radio that is to be used in the CB service has "bands" of channels, you can assume that it is against the law to use it on the CB band. It WILL be illegal! There is ONE band of pre-selected CB channels on an approved CB radio. Using the moniker "amateur" radio does not make it legal (to use on CB), nor does it mean that it is "OK" to market it TO CB operators. Amateur radios will usually have a VFO without "channels" which would certainly mark the radio as something that is intended to be used for CB.
So don't assume that a radio is legal because it may appear (or not) on a list of non-approved equipment. Bottom line is, if a single band radio--and we are talking about the 10M radios---has a "band" switch and 240 'channels', you can betcha it's an illegal rig for CB.
CWM
So don't assume that a radio is legal because it may appear (or not) on a list of non-approved equipment. Bottom line is, if a single band radio--and we are talking about the 10M radios---has a "band" switch and 240 'channels', you can betcha it's an illegal rig for CB.
CWM
if all of the illegal radios in the USA somehow disappeared one day, there would still be plenty of stations using those same freqs.; the language would just be different. LOL
PS- unit 399's radio IS indeed legal.
he does not live in the US.
LC
PS- unit 399's radio IS indeed legal.
he does not live in the US.
LC
I'm not questioning the radios' legality from a useage standpoint. The point I'm making is that since these radios do not appear on the FCC list, it is perfectly LEGAL to buy and sell them. On this forum, on eBay, or anywhere else for that matter.
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I think that has already been covered by the basic concept of the rule. If it isn't type accepted for use in the USA, then it can't be sold here for use in the 'CB' service. It just that simple. It doesn't have to be on a 'list' to not meet the requirements, that list is only for convenience, a sort of clarification of the rule for those that have no idea about what it's all about.
That 'list' doesn't generate any money for the government. Do you really think they are going to keep it all that updated, covering every new thingy that comes along? Geeze, we'd better hope they never turn it over to the IRS for enforcement!
- 'Doc
I think that has already been covered by the basic concept of the rule. If it isn't type accepted for use in the USA, then it can't be sold here for use in the 'CB' service. It just that simple. It doesn't have to be on a 'list' to not meet the requirements, that list is only for convenience, a sort of clarification of the rule for those that have no idea about what it's all about.
That 'list' doesn't generate any money for the government. Do you really think they are going to keep it all that updated, covering every new thingy that comes along? Geeze, we'd better hope they never turn it over to the IRS for enforcement!
- 'Doc
The SHERIFF AND HIS DEPUITY HAVE SPOKEN. nOW READ THE RULES OBEY THE RULES. Now on to a more important question Why do you care about american CB radio when you live way down in colombia? That is a real good question.
I still don't believe that there is an official documet that lists "banned" radios. If there was, those not on the list would not be illegal.
Also, the problem with the official rule is that it, if interpreted to the letter, would end up prohibiting many legitimate ham rigs.
Bands? Whats in a definition? Who says that all of HF has to be covered by these so called bands? I equate 10 bands of 40 channels as being just as silly as 10 bands of 30 MHz. It is kind of funny how that worked out, huh?
Also, the problem with the official rule is that it, if interpreted to the letter, would end up prohibiting many legitimate ham rigs.
Bands? Whats in a definition? Who says that all of HF has to be covered by these so called bands? I equate 10 bands of 40 channels as being just as silly as 10 bands of 30 MHz. It is kind of funny how that worked out, huh?
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