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Wilson 1000 Base Station Antenna

will it work?,, probly yes... , the 4' antenna's are just too short, even for good use on a vehicle mobile use, will it work, probly not very good for local talk anyways,, when skip is coming in strong it doesn't take much of an antenna and may get you on the air when skip is good.


use that same design but replace all 3 of the 4' antenna's with 102" whips and you will have a good antenna and something very similar to some 1/4 wave base antenna's, then climb up and mount it as high as you can in that tree

even though those short fiberglass antenna's may say they are 1/4 or 5/8 wave,, they are still only 4' long and act like a 4' antenna
 
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A dipole strung between the tree and the house would've given far better performance and you could have built it from cheap speaker wire....
 
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After much thought, here's what I came up with:

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A homemade ground plane using 4' Firestiks.

Materials:

A. One Simpson Strong Tie (6" x 12"). These are available at any Lowe's or Home Depot.
B. Two hose clamps (For attaching antenna bracket to mast)
C. Three 4’ fiberglass mobile antennas (any brand)
D. One PL259 stud mount (I used a Firestik KV-4A)
E. Two lug stud mounts (I used a Firestik KV-4)
F. One PL259 right angle coax connector (male to female).

Instructions:

1. Drill a ½” hole in the center of the 12” length of the strong tie.
2. Make a 90 degree bend so that the 6” length is pointed down (this is what attaches to the mast.)
3. Using a vice, make two bends in the 12” length 3 ½” from each end, leaving 5” across the top. Bend each downward and inward so that the two form a 90 degree angle. This will insure that the radials will be pointing outward at 45 degrees insuring an impendence of about 50 ohms.

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4. Install the PL259 stud mount in the top center hole. This will hold your vertical element. Be sure and use a plastic sleeve with the top portion so the antenna does not contact the metal bracket. Do not use a sleeve between the coaxial connector and the bracket. This will insure the coax’s shield is grounded to the bracket.
5. Attach the Right Angle Coax Connector.
6. Holes for the radials come pre-drilled on the strong tie. Simply install lug studs in them. Be sure and use only one plastic sleeve (or none) on each so the antennas will be in direct contact with the metal bracket.
7. I chose to add a self-tapping screw in one of the small pre-drilled holes to attach a ground wire to which will run to a ground rod.

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All that's left is to screw in the antennas!

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I haven't put it in the air yet as I am waiting on my coax and SWR meter. But I did set it on my patio and hook my 35-year-old Royce CB to it using a 3' jumper. I was immediately greeted by what I thought was a loud local but turned out being someone in Oregon. (I'm in Texas). I didn't try and talk as I can't check my SWR.

In the meantime, I might change out the vertical Firestik for a Wilson 1000 (leaving the two remaining Firestiks as radials) as originally planned. Or maybe a Wilson Trucker 2000. Or a Sirio 5000. Or Predator. Or the old standby, a 102" steel whip. The possibilities are endless.

Will an antenna of this design work? I think so.

1. For the most part, even though mobile CB antennas are often rated 5/8 wave or longer, I'm told they basically “act” as ¼ wave antennas regardless of their length or the amount of wire used. So it stands to reason they can be substituted for full ¼ wave (102”) elements and radials.

2. Antennas with only one radial are largely directional (stronger in the direction the radial is pointed.) And while 3 or 4 (or more) radials are recommended for a fully Omni-directional antenna, some say 2 radials are nearly as effective and produce more of an Omni-directional pattern than the 180 degree pattern that might be expected.

Final Thoughts:

I’m guessing the first question will be, “Why spend so much money on a homemade antenna and not just buy an A99 instead? Answer: You’re right. I have about $80 invested in this thing (not counting the mast, coax, etc.) But I greatly enjoyed the time spent researching, designing, and putting it all together. And I’ll take great pleasure in using it.

And of course, someone will point out, “You don’t really have a base station antenna. It’s still just a mobile antenna.” Right you are. But I agree with what MSGED2007 said earlier. It's performance will likely be the equivalent of mounting a Firestik in the center of the roof of my car and then hoisting the vehicle 15’ in the air. And I’m good with that.

The items I'm waiting on should be here in a day or two but as luck would have it, the weather now has gone to pot--Freezing rain and COLD! And according to the forecast, temps won't even reach the 40s for a week or so. Will probably be a while before I can report back.

Over and out.

well i must say very good on trying to m ake your own antenna nothing wrong with that at all. now i will say yes 102 whips would serve you better and add 2 more radials
if tuned properly should equal a m400 starduster.now you already answered
most of your questions but your design can be changed to better it.as i see it yes
equivalt to a antenna on car 15 feet in air.but with some changes then it may equal
a starduster which is a very well respected antenna
 
Thanks for the feedback, guys. Sad to say, my tree climbing days are over.
And much as I'd like to, with my piddly 15' mast and steeply pitched roof, the 102" radials just won't work (unless they're attached horizontally rather than at a 45 degree angle.) I could, however, substitute a steel whip for the vertical element.

With the limitations I face (nothing tall or obtrusvie) the only things on the market I found that fit the bill are the Patriot PAT-12 (one fella who had one said he had better luck with a Wilson 1000 stuck to the top of his refrigerator!), and the Sirio Boomerang 27A or 27W. Not much positive feedback there either.

Guess I could always get a divorce, move, and put a Maco Laser 500 w/rotor on a 100' tower lol.
 
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Your antenna ought'a work. Can't say how -well- it'll work, but it should do as well as the same antenna mounted on a car. So put the thing up and see what happens. If you're not satisfied, then try something else. It's one of those "Do what you can and then live with it" thingys. The 'hidden' part of that advice is to change what you got till you can't figure out what to do next, you know?
Have fun.
- 'Doc
 
Catapult. That's not a bad idea, M0GVZ! Not sure my neighbors would be safe though.

Thanks, 'Doc. I'm always reluctant to post anything because people just seem to want to shoot down one another's ideas so much these days. In most threads you can generally can count the positive or encouraging comments on one hand.

I guess I'll use a a 102" steel whip as the vertical. I know using a couple more (or 102" wire) as radials would be better than the Firestiks but then I'm getting away from my original intention of limiting the overall size of the antenna. So will keep the two Firestiks as radials. Surely that will work as well as my Accord perched in my tree. And will be a whole lot safer. :)

Stay warm. It's cold here!
 
By the way, does anyone know how Marconi is doing? I've only been a site member for a short while, but have seen a lot of posts from him. He seems like a knowlegeable and nice man. In a recent message, he said he wasn't feeling too good and I haven't seen anything from him since.
 
I believe the antenna you made will work. However, I must add that when I have made dipole antennas from shortened mobile antennas such as these there have been at least two downsides to them.

1. very narrow SWR broad-bandedness - sharp upward SWR curve on the ends of the band. (I do not know how this will relate to your GP design. Try and see.)

2. Limited receive compared to longer antenna elements.

If you can go with the SS whip you will find it to be better.

I agree that a half wave dipole will likely show improvement over this antenna, but I am not convinced it would be a noticeable improvement over your GP if you were to lengthen the vertical radiator and find a way to attach at least a third radial symmetrically on the bottom.

With that said, I am anxious to see what you do get with this one.
 
Thanks, Homer.

I was, in fact, worried about the limited receive and possible SWR problems.

Sad to say, but the initial excitement of my "homemade antenna" idea has peaked and is hurtling downhill now as I am one who likes to do things once and be done rather than experiment.

And, I really do want an antenna that I know will perform decently. Think I'll go back to researching store-bought options rather than roll the dice.

Meanwhile, I can be pleased with the strong tie mount I made. I've seen pics of some used for dipoles, but haven't seen one set up for 45 degree radials like mine.

Gonna pour me some more hot coffee and start mulling over the +'s and -'s of the Sirio SD-27, Sirio Boomerang 27, ProComm Patriot 12', and any other space-saving antennas I can find.

As usual, suggestions are welcomed.

Jim
 
gotta say id try your antenna see how it works for ya. if ya just
wanting local chat 5-10 miles away that just MIGHT do the trick.
you mentioned getting a 102 whip for the top i agree with that.
the sirio d27 is a 17-18 foot dipole can also be mounted flatside
and rotable this would be interesting for dx.
 
Don't know if there is much local chat or not. Am thinking the SD-27 might be a better choice. Horizontally on a 15' mast, it can't been seen from the street and should work well for DX which I like. I notice Maco makes one as well which they call the BA1 Balcony antenna. The quality of it might be better.
 
Don't know if there is much local chat or not. Am thinking the SD-27 might be a better choice. Horizontally on a 15' mast, it can't been seen from the street and should work well for DX which I like. I notice Maco makes one as well which they call the BA1 Balcony antenna. The quality of it might be better.

you are correct. the dipole mounted flatside will do ya better for skip if thats your interest
just if ya happen to find locals chattin you may or maynot get to them [unless thier flatside also]or just live close to ya. thats where your 1/4 wave groundplane antenna you made
comes in handy.choice is yours either will workjust choose the right antenna for what
u want
 

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