Wilson 1000 Base Station Antenna

[Riverman]

Well, the PAT-12 didn't work out too well so I went ahead and put up my homemade Firestik antenna shown previously in this thread.

It is only 15' in the air and the bottom of the 2 radials are only 1' from my roof.
The SWR was 1.8 on CH 40, 1.9 on CH 1, and 1.5 on CH 19. Rather than take it down and start adjusting the tunable tips, I decided to leave that for another day, if I do it at all.

This thing behaves like we thought it would--- a good mobile antenna on a car hoisted 15' in the air.

And now you know the rest of the story.

 

[M0GVZ]

Well, the PAT-12 didn't work out too well so I went ahead and put up my homemade Firestik antenna shown previously in this thread.

This thing behaves like we thought it would--- a good mobile antenna on a car hoisted 15' in the air.

And now you know the rest of the story.

Very hard to beat a dipole up at 1/2 wavelength or higher unless you start looking at yagis.

 

[Riverman]

I know, Mog.

Should have done that to begin with.

May still.

Thanks,
Jim

 

[Riverman]

Decided to revisit this old thread.
Have a couple of 2"W x 96"L flat aluminum bars. Thinking about placing them in the form of a "X", drilling a hole through the center and attaching a Wilson 1000 roof mount antenna and hanging it in my attic. The bars will provide counterpoise. My question is should they be horizontal or slanted down?

Thanks!

 

[RoadRanger]

Decided to revisit this old thread.
Have a couple of 2"W x 96"L flat aluminum bars. Thinking about placing them in the form of a "X", drilling a hole through the center and attaching a Wilson 1000 roof mount antenna and hanging it in my attic. The bars will provide counterpoise. My question is should they be horizontal or slanted down?

Looking for a good answer rather than the usual "Just get you a dipole or A99."

Thanks!

I would try it one way first then the other to see what way works best.
If your just getting answers you don't want to hear then try your own.
Just my 2 cent's

 

[space cowboy]

http://www.astrosurf.com/luxorion/qsl-radials.htm

 

[Riverman]

http://www.astrosurf.com/luxorion/qsl-radials.htm

Thanks, Cowboy. Just read the whole article, including Part Two. Apparently, because of their lack of proper radials, most of the cb base antennas currently available operate at a greatly reduced efficiency and it's a wonder mobile antennas even work at all. And at the bottom of the heap one will find mobile antennas being used as base antennas (my usual hangout, sad to say).

I'll be dreaming about radials. And they won't be good dreams. I've done the dipole thing and was't that impressed. Think I'll take a stroll down Moxon Ave. and see what I can come up with. That's one road I haven't yet traveled and there's no dreaded "R" word to keep me awake.

 

[space cowboy]

I've tried indoor antennas and have never been happy with the results. I was happier with a base antenna stuck in the ground. that was a decent antenna setup. I think an indoor moxon would be even more frustrating. not only would you have the suckyness of being indoors, but the rear and side rejection would make for great difficulty in finding someone to talk with.

 

[Riverman]

If I go the Moxon route I'll put it up outside.
Tell me about yout GP stuck in the ground, Cowboy. I've tinkered with the idea but not sure how to go about it without the dreaded 120 radials LOL.

 

[Robb]

Just use a wire dipole. Mount it in a inverted v for omni.

Yup.

At least a dipole will have some gain (~2.3dbi/gain) too, while that Wilson will not. In addition, building a dipole is simpler to build - than all of the trouble he is going to in order to make that Wilson work.

Did I mention that the dipole will cost almost nothing to build?
Did I mention that it far more stealthy than the Wilson is?

Only need 18 ft of stranded copper wire, cut it squarely in two, and solder each piece to the end of a piece of coax. Suspend it at a minimum of 18 ft above the ground or any nearby metal object, and then he can be off to the races . . .

 

[Riverman]

Hi, Robb.
Have built a few dipoles out of Firesticks and out of wire. Pics on my profile page. Am bored and wanting to try something else. The idea of a ground plane at ground level in my back yard is interesting. Any thoughts on it?

 

[tba02]

If you can get a moxon @ 20 feet you might be pleasantly surprised - I have had good results. I've even mistakenly had been surprised at ~ 5 feet (I forgot to move the antenna switch over).

I've used a cast-off patio umbrella base, 2 sections of top rail for the mount and mast. I would walk it up, walk it down when in use, and rotate via my manual armstrong rotor.

 

[Riverman]

If you can get a moxon @ 20 feet you might be pleasantly surprised - I have had good results. I've even mistakenly had been surprised at ~ 5 feet (I forgot to move the antenna switch over).

I've used a cast-off patio umbrella base, 2 sections of top rail for the mount and mast. I would walk it up, walk it down when in use, and rotate via my manual armstrong rotor.

Cool.

I am getting off track on this thread so will stop here.

Thanks, all.

 

[Robb]

Hi, Robb.
Have built a few dipoles out of Firesticks and out of wire. Pics on my profile page. Am bored and wanting to try something else. The idea of a ground plane at ground level in my back yard is interesting. Any thoughts on it?

Sure.

The fact that GAIN is very important, I would still go with the dipole.
But a 11m loop antenna is better for many reasons; including an extra db of gain.

if you are ready for your next antenna project and you want it to be different and easy; then build a loop antenna using ~36 ft of copper stranded wire and then make a matching transformer. The matching transformer is EASY to accomplish. Just take and cut a piece of 5' 10 1/2" of 75 ohm coax. This is found in practically every home these days, as it is the same coax that cable TV uses. Those cheap jumper coax jumper cables between a VCR/DVD player is what I am talking about - so long as it is right length (mentioned above), it will transform the impedance down to 50 ohms.

http://www.worldwidedx.com/threads/11-meter-loop-antenna.82386/

 

[Riverman]

Sure.

The fact that GAIN is very important, I would still go with the dipole.
But a 11m loop antenna is better for many reasons.

if you are ready for your next antenna project and you want it to different and easy; then build a loop antenna using ~36 ft of copper stranded wire and then make a matching transformer. The matching transformer is EASY to accomplish. Just take and cut a piece of 5' 10 1/2" of 75 ohm coax. this is found in practically every home these days, as it is the same coax that cable TV uses. Those cheap jumper coax jumper cables between a VCR/DVD player is what I am talking about - so long as it is right length (mentioned above, it will transform the impedance down to 50 ohms.

http://www.worldwidedx.com/threads/11-meter-loop-antenna.82386/

Thank you.