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Mobile Ham operations banned?

it appears that it'll a Crime in PA to use a CB radio in your personal vehicle
Up here in Canada the cops usually have no clue about the difference between a CB and a mobile ham setup. Especially if you run an export radio like a Q5N2 or 6666 as they look a lot more like ham radios than CB's.
If they were to actually ask (which never ever happens) I would just tell them it's VHF business band radio (it's a 6666 LOL!). VHF radios for LADD channels are as common as dirt around here, and are what all the truckers, loggers, off-roaders and others use in BC.
 
I wish my truck had a train horn, people driving on their cell phones would get a surprise......
You can get a set of air horns that are easy to install from most automotive supply stores. They are inexpensive and plenty loud! I have a set of them ready to put in my Silverado. I have had them in other trucks for many years. Just haven't got to it yet.
 
You may run afoul of the law putting an air horn on anything smaller than a big rig.
Years ago I put an air horn from an old dump truck on my 1967 International pickup, with a 12 volt powered air compressor under the hood to run it.
Fun times until a cop in Vancouver saw it on my truck while I was visiting the city and issued me a BIG fine. Seems it's totally illegal in Canada to do that (and probably is elsewhere too) !
 
Maybe a covert, portable air horn is in order. With remote.......

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From ARRL Atlantic Division Director Bob Famiglio, K3RF.

Pennsylvania hams just scored a BIG win in getting mobile ham radio exempted from their new handsfree law:

Congratulations! Your messages and calls to your PA legislators came
through for all Pennsylvania hams after my urgent message to you of
April 18th. You may recall a pending distracted driving bill had
recently dropped a long-standing, pending exemption for amateur radio
operation while driving. Our exemption language was placed back in
after your efforts. Distracted driving caused by handheld cell phones
or texting is a problem these days. But a broad sweeping definition of
wireless devices also read on use of any two-way communications
equipment which requires holding in a hand such as a microphone or an
HT. Hands free use of voice equipment is still legal but that really
only works for cellular phone use with a Bluetooth earpiece or
speakerphone. Most hams do not yet have Bluetooth PTT.

With your calls and email messages to your PA senators and
representatives, we explained our issues. The new law with our changes
passed both houses when returned and is expected to be signed into law
by the governor. I can tell you it was not easy and I did not think we
were going to pull it off. The amended bill allows Amateur Radio use
while driving even if not hands free. Texting is always out as it
should be and no smart phones should be in your hand unless you are off
the road. I recommend you keep a current copy of your FCC license in
your glove box-always a good idea anyway.

Most distracted driving laws are reasonable and were not cleverly
designed to inconvenience us for no reason. More accidents are caused
by distracted driving than DUI incidents. GPS and some other commercial
uses of devices are still exempt even if one argues they too may be
distracting. For that matter, drinking coffee or eating, fooling with
the ubiquitous dashboard touch screens or doing other things while
driving can be more distracting that using a microphone.

Let’s set an example of safe driving while operating communications
equipment. Dividing attention safely while using equipment is possible,
as those of us who are also Emergency Vehicle Operations Course
graduates or private pilots while operating aircraft are taught. Some
of you mentioned these examples. Drive first - communicate later. Put
the mic down when you should. We can and should develop and maintain
these habits while operating communications gear on the road. Be proud
of the example we can set. Let’s show them how it is done safely! By
the way, we made some new friends in the volunteer emergency responder
sector as well since we fashioned some language to help them use their
radios in their cars. We had some allies in this matter. Many hams are
also emergency responders in the Fire and EMS services and they sent out
an alarm (no pun intended) about the new law when we raised the alert
here.

This matter is also an example of how we can act together as a team to
prevent unintended consequences from making its way into law before we
can adjust things. Whether for antenna ordinances, other radio related
rules or any other issue which will effect amateur radio operations, our
League is an effective way to apply the combined strengths and talent
which clearly we have in our League membership. If you see an issue
brewing, please reach out for help so we can get subject matter experts
on the language involved to help you. Remember, it is our League -
which includes you. My sincere thanks to the many members and non-member
hams who stepped up, called me many times to report, and were very
effective in shaking the trees! We had an outpouring of hams roll up
their sleeves and put their shoulder to the wheel. A special thanks to
Joe Stafford, KC3KDH who was our Paul Revere when he saw the modified
bill coming back and called me. I would have missed it. Together we can
still make things happen. Thank you all.

PS. I will be at the Dayton Hamvention next week participating as a
speaker in two forums and will endeavor to be available at the ARRL
booths at times. I will have another message this weekend with details
where to look me up if you are going.

73, and I will see you on the radio.

Bob Famiglio, K3RF
ARRL Atlantic Division Director
 
You may run afoul of the law putting an air horn on anything smaller than a big rig.
Years ago I put an air horn from an old dump truck on my 1967 International pickup, with a 12 volt powered air compressor under the hood to run it.
Fun times until a cop in Vancouver saw it on my truck while I was visiting the city and issued me a BIG fine. Seems it's totally illegal in Canada to do that (and probably is elsewhere too) !

Just what did he cite you for? Were you messing around with it?
 
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I'm glad this article was posted as I was unaware of this situation. I might have to rethink my MO. The government is getting out of control. Maybe they should start working for us and quit giving our tax dollars to all the Rag-Bag countries that have been fighting since the beginning of time. Even though I live in this state Pennsylvania has always been backwards and out of touch with the times.
 
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Just what did he cite you for? Were you messing around with it?
It was something related to non-original equipment installed. It was back in the 1980's so I don't remember the exact law I ran afoul of. I wasn't using it at the time, the cop saw it mounted on the roof of my pickup and pulled me over.
Canada has all kinds of weird driving / vehicle laws and rules that the U.S. doesn't have........... Around the same time I got a ticket for having a deer skull mounted where the hood ornament used to be. It was a similar law I ran afoul of that time.
 
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It was something related to non-original equipment installed. It was back in the 1980's so I don't remember the exact law I ran afoul of. I wasn't using it at the time, the cop saw it mounted on the roof of my pickup and pulled me over.
Canada has all kinds of weird driving / vehicle laws and rules that the U.S. doesn't have........... Around the same time I got a ticket for having a deer skull mounted where the hood ornament used to be. It was a similar law I ran afoul of that time.

Lots of non-original equipment is fine on or in vehicles. Sounds like the cop was being a dick. I know of one or two around here that have them and so far no issues. I'm on the opposite coast BTW.......Nova Scotia.
 
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These are especially useful in bear country.


That looks like a great idea especially coupled with a can of Bear Spray and a trusty 3006. Just read a article yesterday about the only thing that saved a guy from a grizzly was the bear chomping into his can of bear spray. We don't have grizzly around here but they have seen black bear in my back yard and I'm no match for them either. That's why I bought a 44 magnum when I go 4 wheeling or just plain being my country boy self !
 
Air horns around here (WA state) are legal as long as the horns are placed on the outside of the vehicle. At least it was that way the last time I looked it up which admittedly has been several years. I doubt anyone cares. I had them under the hood or up front behind the grill of different cars for many years but I don't use them often.

Some of the electric aftermarket horns are just as loud but they are not "air" horns.
Around here I see all kinds of "illegal for road use" stuff on cars and trucks very often but no one seems to care.

It might be a problem if you had to go through a state run safety check for licensing or something like that.
 
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